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Offline Luz

Re: Anything and everything
« Reply #390 on: November 15, 2013, 02:45:44 PM »
It's amazing how alleged molestations are invoked here but none were ever reported to portuguese or uk diplomatic services. It seems that only some privileged people in here have access to such information.

Unfortunately we are used to this sort of misinformation, but fortunately people are now well aware of the tactics the little servants under the McCann payroll recur to.

Offline Benice

Re: Anything and everything
« Reply #391 on: November 16, 2013, 01:14:25 AM »
I never suggested victims should be identified, a brief statement of the British Consul or a PJ file or a statement of the LC would be sufficient to establish facts.
Nothing of that exists and this is a fact, not a myth.
You argue that it is a fact because Mrs McCann doesn't and can't lie. She had proved she could and even wrote it. Her unsupported story, spread, becomes a myth.
You better leave Mrs McCann spread alone stories that have by the way nothing to do with Madeleine. Remember the McCanns denied that Madeleine could have been harmed in bed as those British kids allegedly were.

I argue the fact that Kate McCann would not be so stupid as to make massively libellous claims in her book, by falsely attributing statements to other people which could easily be exposed by them as lies.

Anyone who thinks she would do that is seriously deluding themselves IMO - because it makes no sense to deliberately leave herself open to such easily provable instances of libel - and risk her book being dead in the water in record time once it was revealed that substantial parts of her book were downright lies -  as well as the added risk of being sued for libel.

IMO The fact that the children of at least 8 British families were targetted by paedaphiles who entered  their apartments whilst on holiday in the Algarve  - all within a short driving distance of PdL is extremely pertinent to the McCann case.

A further quote from Kate's book:

I cast my mind back to what the British consul had told me in the police station in Portimao that first day about the reports there had been of intruders getting into bed with children.   I needed to know more about this.

I got in touch with the retired British consul for the Algarve.  He told me that he used to have regular monthly meetings with the British tour operators along the coast in Albufeira, at which crime was invariably one of the topics covered.  At one of those meetings in August 2006 he had been informed by the tour operators of the spate of incidents I'd heard about the day after Madeleine was taken, in which an intruder had got into holiday apartments at night climbed into childrens's beds and subjected them to various forms and degrees of molestation.  It seemed the attacker would often lock the door to the parents' bedroom before assaulting the child.  In one case, the paedophile had put on some of the father's aftershave in an attempt to soothe or deceive the child.

It was believed that this offender (or offenders) watched for patterns and routines in a family's behaviour, established 'weaknesses' in the security of their apartments and determined in advance where the parents and children slept.   Cold shivers ran down my spine as it hit home that this might have applied to us.  The British tour operators had been keen for this information to remain confidential (and you don't have to be a genius to work out why that might be).
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With regard to your last sentence Anne, the McCanns do not know what happened to their daughter, but until there is proof that she is dead, they will carry on searching for her.   Just like Kerry Needham.     I find it difficult to believe there are people who do not appear to have the ability to understand that.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: Anything and everything
« Reply #392 on: November 16, 2013, 02:52:19 AM »
It's amazing how alleged molestations are invoked here but none were ever reported to portuguese or uk diplomatic services. It seems that only some privileged people in here have access to such information.

Unfortunately we are used to this sort of misinformation, but fortunately people are now well aware of the tactics the little servants under the McCann payroll recur to.

One of the more ridiculous myths spread by some [ censored word] IMO.

BTW when are you going to produce the evidence of your claim that Amaral's conviction for Perjury has been quashed?

If there are no official documents which you can produce - then even  a statement from the man himself confirming that his honour has been restored and his criminal conviction has been stricken from the records will do.    I presume that if that is the case he will also be keen to take the Prison Director to court for libel.

I await your evidence with interest.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: Anything and everything
« Reply #393 on: November 16, 2013, 08:51:27 AM »
One of the more ridiculous myths spread by some [ censored word] IMO.

BTW when are you going to produce the evidence of your claim that Amaral's conviction for Perjury has been quashed?

If there are no official documents which you can produce - then even  a statement from the man himself confirming that his honour has been restored and his criminal conviction has been stricken from the records will do.    I presume that if that is the case he will also be keen to take the Prison Director to court for libel.

I await your evidence with interest.
There's another board for that matter, Benice.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Anything and everything
« Reply #394 on: November 16, 2013, 09:06:41 AM »
I argue the fact that Kate McCann would not be so stupid as to make massively libellous claims in her book, by falsely attributing statements to other people which could easily be exposed by them as lies.

The only fact here, Benice, is treating your opinion about Mrs McCann as a fact.
So please, instead of saying "8 families were assaulted in the Algarve", say "Mrs McCann says in her book that..."
If you don't do that you're spreading a myth.
If it were true and had been reported to the police, it would be known and the conditions in which assaults happened would be known. No use to reveal identities and places.
If it is true but hasn't been reported to the police for some reason, then shame on Mrs McCann who betrayed a secret for the sake of her agenda.


Offline Benice

Re: Anything and everything
« Reply #395 on: November 16, 2013, 11:39:09 AM »
The only fact here, Benice, is treating your opinion about Mrs McCann as a fact.

So please, instead of saying "8 families were assaulted in the Algarve", say "Mrs McCann says in her book that..."

If you don't do that you're spreading a myth.
[/b]If it were true and had been reported to the police, it would be known and the conditions in which assaults happened would be known. No use to reveal identities and places.
If it is true but hasn't been reported to the police for some reason, then shame on Mrs McCann who betrayed a secret for the sake of her agenda.

LOL - why do I have to say ''Mrs McCann says in her book''..... when it was already crystal clear to anyone  (by virtue of the fact that I'd already quoted her book in my posts) - that I was talking about what Mrs McCann says in her book?   Your comment makes no sense to me. 

To read her book applying your 'conditions - 'in case a myth is created' -   it seems to me you are asking the reader to suspend all common sense, logic and reasoned thought.       Would KM deliberately set out to make totally false claims about the British Consul, the GNR and the Leicestershire police in her book -  leaving herself wide open to numerous libel suits and insodoing also proving herself to be a massive liar to those same people?   Why would any sane person do that - and why would any intelligent person believe that she would?   It makes no sense.

What 'secret' has Kate betrayed and for what reason Anne?   I'm intrigued to know.





The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: Anything and everything
« Reply #396 on: November 16, 2013, 12:07:32 PM »
LOL - why do I have to say ''Mrs McCann says in her book''..... when it was already crystal clear to anyone  (by virtue of the fact that I'd already quoted her book in my posts) - that I was talking about what Mrs McCann says in her book?   Your comment makes no sense to me. 

To read her book applying your 'conditions - 'in case a myth is created' -   it seems to me you are asking the reader to suspend all common sense, logic and reasoned thought.       Would KM deliberately set out to make totally false claims about the British Consul, the GNR and the Leicestershire police in her book -  leaving herself wide open to numerous libel suits and insodoing also proving herself to be a massive liar to those same people?   Why would any sane person do that - and why would any intelligent person believe that she would?   It makes no sense.

What 'secret' has Kate betrayed and for what reason Anne?   I'm intrigued to know.
Unless you find a direct source of the GNR, LC and British Consul, this is a myth and you're spreading it.
There are two possible reasons why you'll not find such a reference : 1) this is pure rumour/gossip (see many studies about how rumours are born) or 2) Mrs McCann is spreading facts that neither the British Consul, nor the LC nor the GNR communicated to the public. Why ? There's only one explanation : it suits her abduction in bed invention and her innocence claim  (kids sexually abused with parents close by).

AnneGuedes

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Re: Anything and everything
« Reply #397 on: November 16, 2013, 12:12:03 PM »
Ah, Benice, most people can't afford to be litigious and think they have better to do. You live only once.