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Offline sadie

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2016, 01:53:56 AM »
No big deal, anyone can see they are not police documents per se and dont "purport" to be, so rather irrelevant, two pages out of thousands is nothng to fret about
Of course it is a big deal.  The files should be totally bona fide.

And it seems that they are not.

1)  Not only do we have these additions mentioned above written by people who were very much against Tghe Mccanns

2)  BUT we also have the omissions of the Raj Balu and the Neil Berry statements along with the Caroline Carpenter statement.  (Three statements that probably would have saved all the awful suspicions against Gerry

3)  Then we have Processos 807-808 written in Portimao, which negates Processos 809 which was written by the cops on the spot in Porto.

4)  The new Processos written in Portimao has several errors including citing the WRONG railway station and mentioning a house that didn't exist any more ... and it instructed to ignore the original Processos ..... Hmm?  £5%4%


Of course it is a big deal

Offline Carana

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2016, 10:38:04 AM »
Quite simply that this appears in the files and purports to be a part of the documented, released, files.

Yet is not numerically indexed in the way that the rest of the files are.

Probably because it's a mixture of several parts of the files originally translated or summarised into French on the now defunct kidnapping.be site.

NB: I see that Pathfinder has found that there's a mistake concerning ROB and the car.
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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2016, 12:47:22 PM »
Probably because it's a mixture of several parts of the files originally translated or summarised into French on the now defunct kidnapping.be site.

NB: I see that Pathfinder has found that there's a mistake concerning ROB and the car.

And the "kidnapping" site was one Duarte Levy.  Hmmmm

Offline Eleanor

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2016, 12:49:57 PM »
And the "kidnapping" site was one Duarte Levy.  Hmmmm

Although his name's not actually Duarte Levy, is it?

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2016, 12:56:42 PM »
Although his name's not actually Duarte Levy, is it?

No but that is his "nom de plume venimeuse"

But this is by the by.  Its surprising how many myths and lies about this case can be traced back to this charalatan , and have been swallowed hook, line and sinker by the more gullible posters.   
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2016, 01:07:18 PM »
No but that is his "nom de plume venimeuse"

But this is by the by.  Its surprising how many myths and lies about this case can be traced back to this charalatan , and have been swallowed hook, line and sinker by the more gullible posters.   

Why don't you list them ? then we can all have a bit of laugh.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2016, 01:15:14 PM »
Why don't you list them ? then we can all have a bit of laugh.

Not sure about the laughs.  He seemed to get his jollies by spreading lies about the parents of a missing child. 

But a couple to start with. 

The "anonymous british diplomat warning about the McCanns".   

The "dog videos"

And here is a review of him by a "leading sceptic". 

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/06/exposing-swindler-truth-about.html




Offline Brietta

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2016, 04:08:34 PM »
Why don't you list them ? then we can all have a bit of laugh.

One that I'd never heard of so maybe it didn't quite catch on ... 

Explosive documents left behind by Justine McGuinness - a dossier with documents, and a sketched map that pinpointed a location on Ribeira do Vascão. Duarte knows perfectly well that the 'explosive documents' were in fact a message of a group, inviting the McCanns for a meeting and a prayer for Madeleine.


Of course, who could forget the photographs which would throw ground breaking light on the case for the highest bidder ...


The 24 photos - The story according to Duarte: a Spanish tourist that was on the night of 3 of May having dinner at the Ocean Club's restaurant known as Tapas Bar takes some photos which show a few of the Tapas group members and how some, like Kate McCann, changed clothes; then the Spanish tourist back in Spain is robbed, his apartment was broken in and the camera with the alleged photos is taken; then the camera and the thief are found by the Spanish police; then Duarte worked as a middle man between the Spanish tourist the PJ and the British media who had an interest and wanted to buy the alleged photos.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id71.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2016, 04:28:16 PM »
Why don't you list them ? then we can all have a bit of laugh.

It doesn't really take too much of an effort to recognise his signature in some of the more lurid tales he perhaps invented or certainly promoted ... most of which have a validity for some even today ...

The McCann Files have collected quite a few ... it is worth a read.

He has left his fingerprints on the documentary considered by some to have caused more damage to the McCann's efforts to find their daughter than the book.

**Snip
A forensics report with 17 matching markers out of 19, when the preliminary report only detailed 15 markers - Duarte Levy claimed he had access to that document in the Portuguese Documentary about Madeleiene McCann in 'Maddie: The Truth of the Lie'.

His output is phenomenal and from what I can see of the list in the McCann files it is full of the lies and disinformation which characterised so much of what was sold to or picked up by the MSM from sources such as his and signalled the death knell for investigative journalism interested only in uncovering the truth.
What on earth motivated him to pen lies such as quote 'Duarte Levy' week in Rothley with the McCanns end quote

Did he really write that and did his readers really believe it??
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2016, 05:04:49 PM »
There is no such thing in the files as 17/19 "markers". There were 15 alleles out of 37 from between 3-5 donors. What exactly is it that they don't understand?

"Journalists", credible or not, were scrambling around for a lucrative scoop and didn't bother to try to understand or verify what the "information" actually was.

For some reason, more than one person (although one in particular) has chosen to upload mini extracts of "news" clips from the time, but nearly 9 years on clearly still has difficulty distinguishing early myths from reality, but continues to promote them as "facts".

No idea why...

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2016, 05:25:27 PM »
It doesn't really take too much of an effort to recognise his signature in some of the more lurid tales he perhaps invented or certainly promoted ... most of which have a validity for some even today ...

The McCann Files have collected quite a few ... it is worth a read.

He has left his fingerprints on the documentary considered by some to have caused more damage to the McCann's efforts to find their daughter than the book.

**Snip
A forensics report with 17 matching markers out of 19, when the preliminary report only detailed 15 markers - Duarte Levy claimed he had access to that document in the Portuguese Documentary about Madeleiene McCann in 'Maddie: The Truth of the Lie'.

His output is phenomenal and from what I can see of the list in the McCann files it is full of the lies and disinformation which characterised so much of what was sold to or picked up by the MSM from sources such as his and signalled the death knell for investigative journalism interested only in uncovering the truth.
What on earth motivated him to pen lies such as quote 'Duarte Levy' week in Rothley with the McCanns end quote

Did he really write that and did his readers really believe it??

Was it ever alive?
I am sure most so called investigative journos see themselves in the mould of Woodward and Bernstein but in reality are just one more hack looking for the scoop that will set them up for life. The Sunday Times in particular has a record of being a bit approximate with it's investigative prowess. Check back to what they wrote in the early 1990s on the arms to Iraq "scandal". What on earth motivated them to pen such inaccuracies?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2016, 07:13:50 PM »
Was it ever alive?
I am sure most so called investigative journos see themselves in the mould of Woodward and Bernstein but in reality are just one more hack looking for the scoop that will set them up for life. The Sunday Times in particular has a record of being a bit approximate with it's investigative prowess. Check back to what they wrote in the early 1990s on the arms to Iraq "scandal". What on earth motivated them to pen such inaccuracies?

The lure of filthy lucre, and fear of a bollocking from the management. 

Offline Brietta

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2016, 07:55:10 PM »
Was it ever alive?
I am sure most so called investigative journos see themselves in the mould of Woodward and Bernstein but in reality are just one more hack looking for the scoop that will set them up for life. The Sunday Times in particular has a record of being a bit approximate with it's investigative prowess. Check back to what they wrote in the early 1990s on the arms to Iraq "scandal". What on earth motivated them to pen such inaccuracies?

Pre News International days the Sunday Times Insight team were I think second to none ... but I have to agree in the main with your assessment and nowhere was that more demonstrable than in what passed for reporting in Madeleine McCann's case.
There were many reasons for that but I don't think it was journalism's finest hour.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: How does this come to be?
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2016, 08:01:29 PM »
The lure of filthy lucre, and fear of a bollocking from the management.

A fair summation I fear!
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey