Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?

[Mr Gray]

I think he would have and would have had to live with the fact that he may have contributed to her suicide.

Now you.

If Kate had said to Amaral ‘I have become suicidal at the thought that you might publish a book accusing me of a heinous crime’ and when the book was published she did, whose fault do you think that would be ?

you use teh word...may have...so you accept brunt ...may have...it is not factual..

second part...it would be maddies disappearance that caused the suicide......if Maddie had turned up...evn with the book in place ..kate would not have been suicidal...similarly i think its other problems brenda had taht caused her death

[Vertigo Swirl]

But she didn’t.

If she had said to Amaral ‘I have become suicidal at the thought that you might publish a book accusing me of a heinous crime’ and when the book was published she did, whose fault do you think that would be ?

Who’s fault would it be?  You tell us.  Do you think if every Tom, Dick or Harriet said to the press “don’t publish an article showing what a nasty b........ I’ve been, I’m feeling suicidal” that the press should err on the side of caution and not print the facts?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Then why not bring the real life cases here rather than a fictional one ?

Because I couldn’t be arsed to google.  Do you accept now that you don’t have to be clinically depressed to commit suicide, yes or no?

[faithlilly]

I would question whether Brenda's  loss of reputation meant more to her than having lost  the company and pleasure  and love of having her eldest child in her life.

Surely you realise that family relationships can be complex. We have no idea why Brenda and her son were estranged.

[faithlilly]

Because I couldn’t be arsed to google.  Do you accept now that you don’t have to be clinically depressed to commit suicide, yes or no?

No.

[Vertigo Swirl]

FYI:

“Another way about thinking of suicide risk and depression is to examine the lives of people who have died by suicide and see what proportion of them were depressed. From that perspective, it is estimated that about 60 percent of people who commit suicide have had a mood disorder (e.g., major depression, bipolar disorder, dysthymia). Younger persons who kill themselves often have a substance abuse disorder, in addition to being depressed”

https://www.hhs.gov/answers/mental-health-and-substance-abuse/does-depression-increase-risk-of-suicide/index.html

Therefore an estimated 40% of suicides were not clinically depressed prior to killing themselves.  I trust that puts that myth to bed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No.

Oh dear.

[Erngath]

Surely you realise that family relationships can be complex. We have no idea why Brenda and her son were estranged.

It doesn't matter a tinker's curse why they were estranged.
The estrangement would be very painful unless she really didn't care at all which I doubt.
Did her loss of reputation really cause her more pain than the loss of her son.
You seem to be suggesting it did.

[Mr Gray]

Surely you realise that family relationships can be complex. We have no idea why Brenda and her son were estranged.

I think ben and I have a mutual friend...perhaps I can find out....i wouldnt post anything here

[Vertigo Swirl]

I would have thought anyone who felt that the MSM were ignoring the trooo facts of the Madeleine McCann face and who spent all day every day trying to attract the world’s attention to this miscarriage of justice would be only too delighted to be given a platform on Sky News, or at least be proud of the fact that they had drawn attention to their online struggle.  If Brenda truly believed what she was doing online was honourable and just she could have used the opportunity to get more people onside and start a ball rolling that could have led to the final crushing of the McCanns “web of lies”.  She didn’t.  I believe she felt ashamed of herself.  I do feel sorry for her, nonetheless - it’s easy I’m sure to get swept along on a tide of abusive behaviour and nastiness online, especially if it gives you a sense of belonging and camaraderie with a group of people who share your beliefs.

[G-Unit]

Ofcom guidelines;

8.1 Any infringement of privacy in programmes, or in connection with obtaining material included in programmes, must be warranted.

8.11  Doorstepping for factual programmes should not take place unless a request for an interview has been refused or it has not been possible to request an interview, or there is good reason to believe that an investigation will be frustrated if the subject is approached openly, and it is warranted to doorstep. However, normally broadcasters may, without prior warning interview, film or record people in the news when in public places.

In this section “warranted” has a particular meaning. It means that where broadcasters wish to justify an infringement of privacy as warranted, they should be able to demonstrate why in the particular circumstances of the case, it is warranted. If the reason is that it is in the public interest, then the broadcaster should be able to demonstrate that the public interest outweighs the right to privacy.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/broadcast-codes/broadcast-code/section-eight-privacy

In my opinion the 'public interest' was not a reason for doorstepping in this instance, and could not have been demonstrated to outweigh the right to privacy. That's because 'public interest' can't be defined by ten 'outraged' people and one news organisation.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ofcom guidelines;

8.1 Any infringement of privacy in programmes, or in connection with obtaining material included in programmes, must be warranted.

8.11  Doorstepping for factual programmes should not take place unless a request for an interview has been refused or it has not been possible to request an interview, or there is good reason to believe that an investigation will be frustrated if the subject is approached openly, and it is warranted to doorstep. However, normally broadcasters may, without prior warning interview, film or record people in the news when in public places.

In this section “warranted” has a particular meaning. It means that where broadcasters wish to justify an infringement of privacy as warranted, they should be able to demonstrate why in the particular circumstances of the case, it is warranted. If the reason is that it is in the public interest, then the broadcaster should be able to demonstrate that the public interest outweighs the right to privacy.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/broadcast-codes/broadcast-code/section-eight-privacy

In my opinion the 'public interest' was not a reason for doorstepping in this instance, and could not have been demonstrated to outweigh the right to privacy. That's because 'public interest' can't be defined by ten 'outraged' people and one news organisation.

What was Ofcom’s finding in this case, assuming a complaint was made?

[Brietta]

Brunt is an educated professional. Even suggesting she had contemplated suicide should have rung huge alarm bells. You don’t get over feeling suicidal with a few drinks.

I wonder if he told anyone at Sky of this conversation with Brenda. I’m guessing not. Too good a scoop I suppose.

It’s telling they never attempted to doorstep anyone else in the dossier ( cue grinding of false teeth ).

Why would Martin Brunt have a greater insight into Brenda Leyland's state of mind than her son who knew her well did?  Although concerned for her in the situation she had put herself in Ben didn't suspect for a moment that she would take her own life.

In my opinion the subsequent trolling of Martin Brunt and the demands for his job were unwarranted ... but typical behaviour for some.

Don't you think the circumstances of the time rather preempted any follow up of the dossier as far as Martin Brunt or Sky news were concerned?

[Robittybob1]

headline..

Kate McCann 'contemplated suicide' after detective's book on Madeleine's disappearance

so if kate had committed suicide would sceptics accept that it was amarals book that caused it or would they say it was other factors in her life...what did the Judge say

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10052.msg486087#msg486087

[Mr Gray]

If Brenda was obviously  suicidal why did her son not act.... Obviously  he did not think she was