Has Scotland Yard dodged a bullet in the Maddie case?

[Mr Gray]

Whichever year or years your search turned up.

To repeat.  What came up for previous years?

There are no reports for activity in Porto for s long long time..your claim is totally baseless

[Mr Gray]

Whichever year or years your search turned up.

To repeat.  What came up for previous years?

There is no real evidence the pj have investigated anything...on this point I tend to agree with Bennett..


Every indication we have had over the past six years is that the PJ and the judicial authorities in Portugal merely 're-opened' their investigation as a technical procedure to satisfy the British authorities.   

In other words, IMO it is a 'hollow', 'shell', so-called investigation with no real work at all being done - all the signs we have ever had from Portugal point this way

[Alice Purjorick]

From Lowe's statement

Well lets look at the question that is being asked

"Is there DNA from Madeline on the swab "

Would you like to reconsider your claim that the response was not in response to a question...to reach the correct conclusion you need an eye for detail which I have and others lack .imo

Those words do not appear in John Lowe's deposition.
Tell us the page number and para number.

[Mr Gray]

Those words do not appear in John Lowe's deposition.
Tell us the page number and para number.

From: Lowe, Mr J R [mailto:John.Lowe@fss.pnn.police.uk
Sent: 03 September 2007 15:01
To: stuart.prior@leicestershire.pnn.police.uk
Subject: Op Task - In Confidence

Stuart

Firstly, here are the last three results you are expecting

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid.

There is no evidence to support the view that Madeline MCCann contributed DNA to the swab 3B.

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. Within the DNA profile of Madeline McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. At one of the areas of DNA we routinely examine Madeleine has inherited the same DNA component from both parents; this appears therefore as 1 peak rather than 2, hence 19 rather than 20. Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion.

Why - ...

Well lets look at the question that is being asked

"Is there DNA from Madeline on the swab "

It would be very simple to say "yes" simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.

What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine and legitimate; because Madeline has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeline merely appears to match the result by chance. The individual components in Madeline's profile are not unique to her, it is the specific combination of 19 components that makes her profile unique above all others. Elements of Madeline's profile are also present within the the profiles of many of the scientists here in Birmingham, myself included. it's important to stress that 50% of Madeline's profile will be shared with each parent. It is not possible in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. Namely, we cannot separate the components out into 3 individual DNA profiles

[Mr Gray]

There is no evidence Maddie died in the apartment...and there is no evidence Maddie was ever in the hire car...could someone inform amaral of the true facts..him being the lead detective it might be useful

[Sunny]

There is no evidence Maddie died in the apartment...and there is no evidence Maddie was ever in the hire car...could someone inform amaral of the true facts..him being the lead detective it might be useful

I thought it was Luis Neves. 

[John]

There is no real evidence the pj have investigated anything...on this point I tend to agree with Bennett..


Every indication we have had over the past six years is that the PJ and the judicial authorities in Portugal merely 're-opened' their investigation as a technical procedure to satisfy the British authorities.   

In other words, IMO it is a 'hollow', 'shell', so-called investigation with no real work at all being done - all the signs we have ever had from Portugal point this way

I would agree with you, the Portuguese have probably greater priorities.

[G-Unit]

My opinion may be wrong...but the evidence suggests the McCann's are not suspects...there is no evidence against them and they are not being investigated...there is no evidence that they are being investigated

The evidence doesn't 'suggest' that the McCanns are not suspects; do Carmo has stated it as a fact.

As to your opinion, from that one fact you have assumed a) there is no evidence against them and b) they are not being investigated.

I agree there's no evidence that they are being investigated, but neither is there any that they aren't.

[Sunny]

The evidence doesn't 'suggest' that the McCanns are not suspects; do Carmo has stated it as a fact.

As to your opinion, from that one fact you have assumed a) there is no evidence against them and b) they are not being investigated.

I agree there's no evidence that they are being investigated, but neither is there any that they aren't.

Of course Pedro Do Carmo did also say this which I find interesting.

As PJ deputy head Pedro do Carmo told the BBC this week: “We have never had any case like this, either before or since”.

His response to the question, “do you think in your heart it will ever be solved” was telling nonetheless. He said: “If it depended on my heart, the case would already be solved. But it doesn’t depend on my heart. It depends, very much, on our minds”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/just-had-enough-ten-years-praia-da-luz-remembers-night-madeleine/

[Vertigo Swirl]

Rowley’s ‘ not suspects’ interview pulled from the internet. All mention of OG pulled from the Met’s website. Things are certainly moving.

Moving where?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Whichever year or years your search turned up.

To repeat.  What came up for previous years?

Did you mean this, from five years ago?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439464/Portuguese-police-held-their-own-Madeleine-McCann-reconstruction

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course Pedro Do Carmo did also say this which I find interesting.

As PJ deputy head Pedro do Carmo told the BBC this week: “We have never had any case like this, either before or since”.

His response to the question, “do you think in your heart it will ever be solved” was telling nonetheless. He said: “If it depended on my heart, the case would already be solved. But it doesn’t depend on my heart. It depends, very much, on our minds”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/just-had-enough-ten-years-praia-da-luz-remembers-night-madeleine/

This quote was debunked yesterday by the actual verbatim report of what he said.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The evidence doesn't 'suggest' that the McCanns are not suspects; do Carmo has stated it as a fact.

As to your opinion, from that one fact you have assumed a) there is no evidence against them and b) they are not being investigated.

I agree there's no evidence that they are being investigated, but neither is there any that they aren't.

At what point, if ever, will you accept that the McCanns are not being investigated?  What would the police have to say or do to convince you, is there anything at all that would?

[faithlilly]

At what point, if ever, will you accept that the McCanns are not being investigated?  What would the police have to say or do to convince you, is there anything at all that would?

I’ll be you were convinced in 2007 too when we were told the parents weren’t suspects.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I’ll be you were convinced in 2007 too when we were told the parents weren’t suspects.

Certainly not, it was blatantly obvious fairly early on that the McCanns were under suspicion, from about day 1 if I recall correctly.

“JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McCanns and their friends. Indeed within two days of Madeleine disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story." We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped. To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go.”