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Offline jassi

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2018, 12:58:07 PM »
Quote from: Lace on November 12, 2018, 12:52:59 PM
They would hardly admit to it would they.

In the context of your sentence, who do you mean by 'they'?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2018, 01:58:55 PM »
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2018, 12:58:07 PM
In the context of your sentence, who do you mean by 'they'?

Anyone whose name isn't McCann?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2018, 02:47:33 PM »
Quote from: The General on November 12, 2018, 08:07:00 AM
How many sessions and how many hours? It wasn't many, was it, given the circumstances? I'm fairly sure the T7 were questioned a similar number of times and duration?

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The dramatic development came after the 39-year-old part-time GP spent 11 hours at an Algarve police station being questioned by detectives.

She has returned to the police station in Portimao this morning to be asked "difficult" questions about her missing daughter.

In order to ask such questions – such as whether Madeleine died by accident – her status has to be changed to "arguida", or formal suspect.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562420/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-fears-death-charge.html
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Offline Sunny

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2018, 03:59:45 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2018, 12:01:33 PM
Was it Kate who misunderstood?  Kate quite likely had no real idea of what was going on.

Besides, it's a moot point.  Kate didn't confess.

I don't believe it is a moot point.    Neither do supporters here and it seems elsewhere from my reading.  Supporters use this error of understanding by Kate mcCann to bash the PJ yet again. All IMO
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2018, 12:04:10 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2018, 07:09:03 PM
I can give a couple of cites of suspects being tortured in custody which proves the PJ have no respect for the law...

That is not what was asked for.
Cites for plea bargains in Portugal please.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2018, 12:11:06 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 12, 2018, 11:01:22 AM
My view is that the PJ did offer, a plea bargain ....of the type described by slarti... The lawyer was being diplomatic

Independently of the PP?
The PJ goes UDI only to find the PP will sling it out?
Good ploy!
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Offline John

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2018, 07:18:08 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 12, 2018, 10:40:23 AM
Her lawyer didn't deny it... He called it a misunderstanding

He would do  @)(++(*
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Offline Snowgirl

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2018, 03:58:07 PM »
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2018, 05:25:14 PM »
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 16, 2018, 03:58:07 PM
http://www.ecba.org/extdocserv/conferences/brat2008/PleaBarg_CostaRamos.pdf

In my opinion Kate's lawyer thought she might be charged. Advising her to admit to a lesser crime could have been good advice therefore.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2018, 05:29:47 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on November 16, 2018, 05:25:14 PM
In my opinion Kate's lawyer thought she might be charged. Advising her to admit to a lesser crime could have been good advice therefore.

That's a plea, bargain
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2018, 05:35:29 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 16, 2018, 05:29:47 PM
That's a plea, bargain

No it isn't, it's a lawyer's advice to his client based on his assessment of the situation. If Kate McCann had confessed to a lesser crime there was nothing to stop the public prosecutor from deciding to charge her with something else.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2018, 05:48:12 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on November 16, 2018, 05:35:29 PM
No it isn't, it's a lawyer's advice to his client based on his assessment of the situation. If Kate McCann had confessed to a lesser crime there was nothing to stop the public prosecutor from deciding to charge her with something else.

Who said the offer came from the lawyer and not the, police
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2018, 05:51:15 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on November 16, 2018, 05:25:14 PM
In my opinion Kate's lawyer thought she might be charged. Advising her to admit to a lesser crime could have been good advice therefore.
Had Kate admitted to a lesser crime would that have stopped the search for Madeleine?  I think it would have.

Had she admitted to it and years later it is found that Madeleine was still alive we would be wondering why Kate confessed to a crime she hadn't done.

But really the problem would be would the Portuguese court convict a person based on a confession without the evidence to support it?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2018, 05:53:37 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 16, 2018, 05:51:15 PM
Had Kate admitted to a lesser crime would that have stopped the search for Madeleine?  I think it would have.

Had she admitted to it and years later it is found that Madeleine was still alive we would be wondering why Kate confessed to a crime she hadn't done.

But really the problem would be would the Portuguese court convict a person based on a confession without the evidence to support it?

Cipriano... Yes
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was there really a deal or plea bargain?
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2018, 06:05:20 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 16, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
Cipriano... Yes
Well if Kate's lawyer doesn't trust the system, he may have suggested that course of action.
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