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Offline Sunny

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2018, 09:47:24 PM »
I don't think she did Robbity.

She arrived at the scene on the coat tail of the GNR which in my opinion would suggest to the casual observer that she was part of the investigation ...
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At first, she could not locate the exact site where the family was staying on holiday. Upon seeing a police patrol car which passed close by her, she asked the police if they could show her the right location. She was accompanied by the patrol car to the apartment from where the child had disappeared and where the parents were staying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

She approached the witnesses and began asking inappropriate questions.  In my opinion she embarked on her enterprise based solely on her own authorisation.  I have difficulty with the inability of some to recognise just how out of order and unprofessional  her behaviour was ... the PJ had neither spoken with her or authorised her to do anything.

From your quote Brietta, It says she was accompanied by the patrol car to the apartment, therefore the police knew she wanted to speak to the McCanns and IMO must have agreed that she could do so.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2018, 09:54:01 PM »
From your quote Brietta, It says she was accompanied by the patrol car to the apartment, therefore the police knew she wanted to speak to the McCanns and IMO must have agreed that she could do so.
And this "- She identified herself and presented her credentials and immediately began talking to the mother of the missing child as she was visibly upset with the situation."  I would say it would be the PJ that took her to the apartment rather than the GNR.
OK it is not clear what steps actually happened but she did have her credentials with her.
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Offline misty

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2018, 10:21:11 PM »
And this "- She identified herself and presented her credentials and immediately began talking to the mother of the missing child as she was visibly upset with the situation."  I would say it would be the PJ that took her to the apartment rather than the GNR.
OK it is not clear what steps actually happened but she did have her credentials with her.

Her credentials were not valid outside England & Wales, something she should have been fully aware of.

Offline Sunny

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2018, 10:24:15 PM »
Her credentials were not valid outside England & Wales, something she should have been fully aware of.

She went to HELP the McCanns, she took her credentials to show that she was a professional social worker.   

Would you rather that someone wouldn't offer to help the bereft McCanns in their time of need? Clearly you would IMO.
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Offline misty

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2018, 11:08:21 PM »
She went to HELP the McCanns, she took her credentials to show that she was a professional social worker.   

Would you rather that someone wouldn't offer to help the bereft McCanns in their time of need? Clearly you would IMO.

Personally, the last person I'd have wanted assistance from, in the McCanns' circumstances, would have been an English Social Worker.

Offline Brietta

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2018, 12:20:06 AM »
And this "- She identified herself and presented her credentials and immediately began talking to the mother of the missing child as she was visibly upset with the situation."  I would say it would be the PJ that took her to the apartment rather than the GNR.
OK it is not clear what steps actually happened but she did have her credentials with her.

She identified herself to Kate and Gerry and showed them her credentials ... there is no indication anywhere in the files that she had approached anyone in authority or the Policia Judiciaria and asked if they wished her to instigate interrogating the witnesses.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Sunny

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2018, 07:16:16 AM »
She identified herself to Kate and Gerry and showed them her credentials ... there is no indication anywhere in the files that she had approached anyone in authority or the Policia Judiciaria and asked if they wished her to instigate interrogating the witnesses.

Why do you believe Yvonne Martin was there to interrogate the witnesses.  She would need to ask some questions to get the full picture, before helping them in their time of need.    What do you expect her to do otherwise?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2018, 07:38:09 AM »
Why do you believe Yvonne Martin was there to interrogate the witnesses.  She would need to ask some questions to get the full picture, before helping them in their time of need.    What do you expect her to do otherwise?

They didn't want or, need, her help... IMO She, had, no skills, to offer... Is, that so hard, to understand
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Offline The General

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2018, 08:35:50 AM »
They didn't want or, need, her help... IMO She, had, no skills, to offer... Is, that so hard, to understand
Yes.
She wouldn't know that they didn't need or want help until she asked.
As for skills, I mean come on dAvEl, she's a social worker; by definition, her skill set demands training and experience in dealing with children in stressful situations - i.e. the twins may have needed assistance.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2018, 08:39:36 AM »
Yes.
She wouldn't know that they didn't need or want help until she asked.
As for skills, I mean come on dAvEl, she's a social worker; by definition, her skill set demands training and experience in dealing with children in stressful situations - i.e. the twins may have needed assistance.

Oh, I see.  She was offering to babysit.  That was kind.

Offline The General

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2018, 08:46:22 AM »
Oh, I see.  She was offering to babysit.  That was kind.
No wonder she got short shrift then; they don't do babysitters.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2018, 08:51:08 AM »
Yes.
She wouldn't know that they didn't need or want help until she asked.
As for skills, I mean come on dAvEl, she's a social worker; by definition, her skill set demands training and experience in dealing with children in stressful situations - i.e. the twins may have needed assistance.

That's your opinion....... The McCann's didn't want her help... Are they entitled to make that decision without posters wanting to criticise everything they do... It was up to them... None of your or anyone elses business

Offline The General

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2018, 08:56:06 AM »
That's your opinion....... The McCann's didn't want her help... Are they entitled to make that decision without posters wanting to criticise everything they do... It was up to them... None of your or anyone elses business
But how was she to know that they didn't want her help until she asked?
And if it's none of any of our business, why are we all talking about it?
Besides, they didn't want a British social worker, but they needed a British PR Guru in short order.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2018, 09:02:01 AM »
No wonder she got short shrift then; they don't do babysitters.

Oh Dear.  I don't know why I am laughing.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2018, 09:02:19 AM »
But how was she to know that they didn't want her help until she asked?
And if it's none of any of our business, why are we all talking about it?
Besides, they didn't want a British social worker, but they needed a British PR Guru in short order.

She asked and she was told end of.... A PR Guru was important to deal with the masses of press wanting information... It's, as simple as that