Author Topic: Netflix launches new 8-part documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  (Read 196834 times)

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Offline Robittybob1

1am or 1 pm?
1 AM when Matt O'Brien and John Hill woke them up.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Not written with such an insight then.
Written with far more insight than anything you or G-Unit have to offer by dint of actually having had access to some of the key protagonists.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Written with far more insight than anything you or G-Unit have to offer by dint of actually having had access to some of the key protagonists.

Insight is no replacement for fact checking. The McCanns are not still pursuing Amaral through the Portuguese courts  The Supreme Court brought that to a halt ages ago, remember?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Danny Shaw’ BBC’s Home Affairs correspondent
“Don’t agree with critics of Netflix doc on #MadeleineMcCann. I wonder if they’ve watched all 8 hours. Though over-long it is a thorough & rounded account of the case with many interviews I’ve not seen before. Explains & exposes police & PI failings & defamatory media coverage”.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Insight is no replacement for fact checking. The McCanns are not still pursuing Amaral through the Portuguese courts  The Supreme Court brought that to a halt ages ago, remember?
.  We know that the McCanns have not yet given up on their legal challenge and are pursuing the case with the ECHR.  Has Amaral had his assets unfrozen yet?  You are IMO nitpicking in order to deflect from what was an insightful and others quite accurate IMO appraisal of the Netflix documentary.
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Offline misty

Is Jayne Jensen or Jez Wilkins or Bridget O'Donnell interviewed in the Netflix Documentary?

Jayne is interviewed in Episode 1 but the other 2 people don't feature at all.

Offline faithlilly

The McCann's are not pursuing anyone through the Portuguese Courts any more.

So what do we learn from Mr Smith’s rather mawkish opinion piece.

1. Gerry broke judicial secrecy while claiming he couldn’t talk because of it.
2. Kate must be innocent because she had plated up some food for Gerry and Clarence....a guilty person would surely let everyone fend for themselves.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

(ty6e[ Nice to see you misty and all others here again. Unfortunately I did not have time to watch the series but looking forward to watching it.

I have questions ( which to me are the biggest mysteries of this case and I followed it from the day 2):
1. Have they mentioned the Portuguese sniffer dogs?
2. Have they mentioned the doors being 'ajar' then 'wide open'?
3. The fact that Madeleine if she left on her own would need to had opened the shutters, window, open the patio curtain, close the patio curtain, open the patio doors, close the patio doors, open the garden doors, close the garden doors ( unless Gerry missed locking the front door and she left through this door - and they were used by the Portuguese sniffer dogs, too! But then, who opened the shutters and the window?)
4. The missing key?
5. Who usually parked their car in the spot where the Portuguese sniffer dogs lost their trail?
6. We live in 2019 so what about the phone records?
7. Who the 7 new suspects are? Why they are suspects?
8. Why the police never found the guy in Marrakesh with the little blond girl? Why he never came forward?

Everything else is just repeating the old stuff, widely published and insignificant.

To briefly answer your questions:_
1. No.
2. They touched upon that, more visually than in commentary.
3. Not mentioned at all. Only abduction or Amaral's thesis.
4. Not mentioned.
5. Not mentioned.
6. Not mentioned, apart from call between Murat & Malinka.
7. Only Murat & Malinka - but Metado3 investigated them & couldn't find any new evidence.
8. Morocco sightings feature but no, the man Mari Olli saw was apparently never identified.

Please do try to watch it all soon - I think it was worth watching.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

So what do we learn from Mr Smith’s rather mawkish opinion piece.

1. Gerry broke judicial secrecy while claiming he couldn’t talk because of it.
2. Kate must be innocent because she had plated up some food for Gerry and Clarence....a guilty person would surely let everyone fend for themselves.
David Smith is an investigative journalist who has actually met the McCanns and is firmly convinced of their innocence.http://www.davidjamessmith.net/about/
  Who are you?
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Offline Mr Gray

Everytime anyone here criticises amaral or teh PJ theya re accused of xenophobia and PJ bashing...so it was rather good to see sandra Figuerras putting the record straight...her description of amaral and the PJ as liars and being dishonest was a real coup

Offline faithlilly

A reminder of David Smith’s investigative acumen


‘Gerry had knocked up at the start of the 4.30pm tennis-drills session, but had decided not to exacerbate an injury to his Achilles tendon, so had dropped out and waited around by the courts until the children came back from the kids’ clubs at 5pm for tea. That had been one of the most enjoyable times of the holiday, all the children together for tea, then the adults playing with them afterwards.

Gerry was in his apartment at 7pm’

From Gerry’s May 4th statement.

‘ The deponent and KATE returned to the OCEAN CLUB by the short-cut and at the secondary reception they asked the lady employee if there was a vacant tennis court they could reserve. They were told there was a vacancy between 14H30 to 15H30. As it was already 15h00, they began to play immediately. At 15H30, the tennis instructor arrived, who instructed each of them until 16H30.’

And from Smith


‘Matt went down to the 24-hour reception at the bottom of the hill to raise the alarm. The call to the police went in at 10.15. They arrived 55 minutes later. It is widely believed among the Portuguese media, and perhaps the police too, even now, that the McCanns called Sky News before they called the police. For the record, Sky News picked up the story from GMTV breakfast television, at around 7.30am the following day.’

Where did Smith get 10.15 from ? We know that the police weren’t called until 10.40 and Sky were contacted by email at about 2am.

Smith seems to have accepted what Gerry told him having done little or no research of his own
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Everytime anyone here criticises amaral or teh PJ theya re accused of xenophobia and PJ bashing...so it was rather good to see sandra Figuerras putting the record straight...her description of amaral and the PJ as liars and being dishonest was a real coup

According to SF her epiphany seems to have occurred after the files were released so why, in Brietta’s words, did she go for the jugular in her ‘ask the dogs’ interview?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

A reminder of David Smith’s investigative acumen


‘Gerry had knocked up at the start of the 4.30pm tennis-drills session, but had decided not to exacerbate an injury to his Achilles tendon, so had dropped out and waited around by the courts until the children came back from the kids’ clubs at 5pm for tea. That had been one of the most enjoyable times of the holiday, all the children together for tea, then the adults playing with them afterwards.

Gerry was in his apartment at 7pm’

From Gerry’s May 4th statement.

‘ The deponent and KATE returned to the OCEAN CLUB by the short-cut and at the secondary reception they asked the lady employee if there was a vacant tennis court they could reserve. They were told there was a vacancy between 14H30 to 15H30. As it was already 15h00, they began to play immediately. At 15H30, the tennis instructor arrived, who instructed each of them until 16H30.’

And from Smith


‘Matt went down to the 24-hour reception at the bottom of the hill to raise the alarm. The call to the police went in at 10.15. They arrived 55 minutes later. It is widely believed among the Portuguese media, and perhaps the police too, even now, that the McCanns called Sky News before they called the police. For the record, Sky News picked up the story from GMTV breakfast television, at around 7.30am the following day.’

Where did Smith get 10.15 from ? We know that the police weren’t called until 10.40 and Sky were contacted by email at about 2am.

Smith seems to have accepted what Gerry told him having done little or no research of his own
@)(++(* this post reeks of desperation imo.

David James Smith is the author of five acclaimed non-fiction books and is an award-wining journalist for The Sunday Times Magazine of London. His first book, THE SLEEP OF REASON – THE JAMES BULGER CASE is in a new edition from Faber (2017) and remains the definitive account of the 1993 murder of a child by two ten year old boys.

David has a close interest in criminal justice and served five years (2013-2018) as a Commissioner at The Criminal Cases Review Commission, appointed by HM The Queen to oversee investigations into miscarriages of justice. He was a local newspaper reporter and wrote for the monthly magazine Esquire before joining The Sunday Times Magazine, for whom he travelled around the world writing cover stories, investigative articles, reportage and profiles.

What are your credentials Faithlilly? 
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Offline Mr Gray

According to SF her epiphany seems to have occurred after the files were released so why, in Brietta’s words, did she go for the jugular in her ‘ask the dogs’ interview?

You need to ask her not me..

Offline G-Unit

.  We know that the McCanns have not yet given up on their legal challenge and are pursuing the case with the ECHR.  Has Amaral had his assets unfrozen yet?  You are IMO nitpicking in order to deflect from what was an insightful and others quite accurate IMO appraisal of the Netflix documentary.

In common with many McCann supporters he is long on opinins and short on knowledge of the facts in my opinion. The two things seem related.
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