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Offline Holly Goodhead

A Room With A View...
« on: June 23, 2019, 10:36:30 PM »
I've come to the conclusion that the open window/shutter was 'staged' by the perp to throw investigators and that the perp entered and exited via the patio door and upon leaving with MM he/she carefully closed the door, curtain, child gate and gate leading to road. 

Who...

- Knew MM was 'home alone' every night Sun to Thu from 8.30pm to 11pm ish?

- Knew the patio door was unlocked

- Knew T9 were eating at Tapas

- Knew T9 were checking every 30 mins

- Knew when T9 were all seated

Imo the perp is someone who was a guest at MW and who had a 'room with a view' allowing him/her to observe the above. Probably had a hire car too.  An MW guest fits all the known facts. 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2019, 10:37:53 PM »
What checks to date have been carried out on MW guests?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2019, 12:05:35 AM »
What checks to date have been carried out on MW guests?
Good question.  For all the interviews done by the UK police of UK citizens were not allowed to be released at the archiving of the case.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2019, 02:26:00 AM »
I've come to the conclusion that the open window/shutter was 'staged' by the perp to throw investigators and that the perp entered and exited via the patio door and upon leaving with MM he/she carefully closed the door, curtain, child gate and gate leading to road. 

Who...

- Knew MM was 'home alone' every night Sun to Thu from 8.30pm to 11pm ish?

- Knew the patio door was unlocked

- Knew T9 were eating at Tapas

- Knew T9 were checking every 30 mins

- Knew when T9 were all seated

Imo the perp is someone who was a guest at MW and who had a 'room with a view' allowing him/her to observe the above. Probably had a hire car too.  An MW guest fits all the known facts.

I would call that conclusion "your theory, Holly Goodhead's theory. 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2019, 08:03:27 AM »
I've come to the conclusion that the open window/shutter was 'staged' by the perp to throw investigators and that the perp entered and exited via the patio door and upon leaving with MM he/she carefully closed the door, curtain, child gate and gate leading to road. 

Who...

- Knew MM was 'home alone' every night Sun to Thu from 8.30pm to 11pm ish?

- Knew the patio door was unlocked

- Knew T9 were eating at Tapas

- Knew T9 were checking every 30 mins

- Knew when T9 were all seated

Imo the perp is someone who was a guest at MW and who had a 'room with a view' allowing him/her to observe the above. Probably had a hire car too.  An MW guest fits all the known facts.

In which case the PJ didn't stand a chence. Most of those people went back to the UK on 5th May. It was up to the UK police to check them all out.
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Offline The General

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2019, 08:12:34 AM »
I've come to the conclusion that the open window/shutter was 'staged' by the perp to throw investigators and that the perp entered and exited via the patio door and upon leaving with MM he/she carefully closed the door, curtain, child gate and gate leading to road. 

Who...

- Knew MM was 'home alone' every night Sun to Thu from 8.30pm to 11pm ish?

- Knew the patio door was unlocked

- Knew T9 were eating at Tapas

- Knew T9 were checking every 30 mins

- Knew when T9 were all seated

Imo the perp is someone who was a guest at MW and who had a 'room with a view' allowing him/her to observe the above. Probably had a hire car too.  An MW guest fits all the known facts.
Couple of things:
- what difference would it make which door was used? How would that send everyone down the wrong road?
- This MW guest - so an opportunist paedophile watched all this unravel, then tuned abductor with the wherewithal to adjust the crime scene, but just opened a window?
- How could this perp have a 'room with a view' of both entrances and where everyone was seated?
- the T7 all fit your list of criteria.
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Offline kizzy

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2019, 08:18:02 AM »
I've come to the conclusion that the open window/shutter was 'staged' by the perp to throw investigators and that the perp entered and exited via the patio door and upon leaving with MM he/she carefully closed the door, curtain, child gate and gate leading to road. 

Who...

- Knew MM was 'home alone' every night Sun to Thu from 8.30pm to 11pm ish?

- Knew the patio door was unlocked

- Knew T9 were eating at Tapas

- Knew T9 were checking every 30 mins

- Knew when T9 were all seated

Imo the perp is someone who was a guest at MW and who had a 'room with a view' allowing him/her to observe the above. Probably had a hire car too.  An MW guest fits all the known facts.


IMO it was obviously staged - but to make time to do that you would need a very good reason.

Why would the abductor - need to make it look like an abduction.

Why did the mcns think it was so safe to put twins back in the creche.

When for obvious reasons in your post -  it could have been anyone close to home.

Why did the mcns trust everyone in that complex - at a time you would trust no one

Especially your acquaintances/friends - who knew the children were in an unlocked room alone.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2019, 08:46:06 AM »
I would call that conclusion "your theory, Holly Goodhead's theory.

Yeah you're right theory is better than conclusion - it sounds more flexible!
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2019, 08:57:19 AM »
I've come to the conclusion that the open window/shutter was 'staged' by the perp to throw investigators and that the perp entered and exited via the patio door and upon leaving with MM he/she carefully closed the door, curtain, child gate and gate leading to road. 

Who...

- Knew MM was 'home alone' every night Sun to Thu from 8.30pm to 11pm ish?

- Knew the patio door was unlocked

- Knew T9 were eating at Tapas

- Knew T9 were checking every 30 mins

- Knew when T9 were all seated

Imo the perp is someone who was a guest at MW and who had a 'room with a view' allowing him/her to observe the above. Probably had a hire car too.  An MW guest fits all the known facts.

Have you thought about the motive?  It is one thing to observe all these events and to know it, but what is the motive for a tourist to become a child abductor?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2019, 09:05:23 AM »
In which case the PJ didn't stand a chence. Most of those people went back to the UK on 5th May. It was up to the UK police to check them all out.

Yes KM states in her book all guests were able to leave. 

I've been thinking about this further.  Who actually owned all the apartments?  Mrs Fenn obviously owned hers so not all guests staying in the apartments were connected with MW.  Did MW rent some of the apartments and then market them as an inclusive MW hol?  The Access list you uploaded shows the names of a number of tour operators but the guest list doesn't appear to contain any foreign sounding surnames ie it doesn't appear holiday makers from other European countries, or elsewhere, were staying at OC based on the access list?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2019, 09:20:49 AM »
Couple of things:
- what difference would it make which door was used? How would that send everyone down the wrong road?

It seems the front door was locked with GM carrying the key.  This leaves the unlocked patio door which imo would have been a massive clue had the bedroom window not been staged.

- This MW guest - so an opportunist paedophile watched all this unravel, then tuned abductor with the wherewithal to adjust the crime scene, but just opened a window?

The window was enough to throw investigators.  What else would you have expected him/her to do to 'stage' the soc?
- How could this perp have a 'room with a view' of both entrances and where everyone was seated?

Why did the perp need a room with a view of both entrances?  The McCanns were entering/exiting via the unlocked patio door.  The perp would know from his/her own patio door it could not be locked from outside.
 
- the T7 all fit your list of criteria.
T7 did not have time to carry out an abduction and dispose of a body unless T7 planned with a.n.other and passed MM over to such person. 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline The General

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2019, 09:28:18 AM »
The perp would know from his/her own patio door it could not be locked from outside.
I was referring to the perp trying to scope out comings and goings, rather than the knowledge or otherwise of the door locking mechanism.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2019, 09:35:07 AM »

IMO it was obviously staged - but to make time to do that you would need a very good reason.

Not getting caught after the event is surely a good enough reason.  How long would it take to open window/shutter?  He/she would know they had some 30 mins based on the pattern of McCann visits.

Why would the abductor - need to make it look like an abduction.

The abductor wanted to make it appear that he/she was unaware of the unlocked patio door.
Why did the mcns think it was so safe to put twins back in the creche.

Why not?  MM wasn't abducted from creche.  She was abducted from 5a which had an unlocked door and was unsupervised.

When for obvious reasons in your post -  it could have been anyone close to home.
Not sure what you mean by anyone close to home?
Why did the mcns trust everyone in that complex - at a time you would trust no one
Not sure they did trust everyone.  KM states in book words to the effect she was dismayed everyone was able to leave ie fly home as planned.
Especially your acquaintances/friends - who knew the children were in an unlocked room alone.
McCanns probably ruled out T7 on the basis they knew them well and trusted them plus they didn't have time to abduct MM and dispose of her body.  You're right others should not have been trusted that they met on hol.  It comes down to prejudice ie middle class families playing tennis wouldn't abduct children but many have the potential.  Consider the paedophile doctor from Cambridge:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-34591633
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline The General

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2019, 09:35:50 AM »
The window was enough to throw investigators.  What else would you have expected him/her to do to 'stage' the soc?
The window was enough to 'throw investigators' because the first person on the scene said it was so. Nobody else did.
What would I expect? I wouldn't try to make the abduction look like an abduction.
Maybe ransack the gaff, fill a duvet cover with 'valuables'. If you stage a burglary it could be argued that MM ran off once they'd left. I'm reaching here, I know that.

« Last Edit: June 24, 2019, 09:39:07 AM by The General »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2019, 09:48:17 AM »
Have you thought about the motive?  It is one thing to observe all these events and to know it, but what is the motive for a tourist to become a child abductor?

People get off on all sorts.  It could be someone wanted to see the McCanns in turmoil and initially planned to release MM but with all the media coverage became too scared. 

Could be someone wanted a child and felt unable to separate the twins. 

I guess the obvious answer is some sort of sexual assault. 

You say tourist to become a child abductor but paedophiles are everywhere and look and act normally.  If someone is that way inclined and an opportunity presents eg child home alone in unlocked property they might well go for it and this is what imo happened.  It was the coming together of all the circumstances.  Plus someone that way inclined might well have been getting aroused during the week with all the young children running around in swimwear.  Plus if he/she (most likely he) had been drinking as people do on hol this will only exacerbate by lowering inhibitions. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?