A Room With A View...

[Holly Goodhead]

Well the mods have had 24 hours now to consider your suggestion and I’m afraid it seems to be a no.

The role of a mod, as I see it, is not to micro-manage posts but to maintain the high level rules set out on the home.

 

[Holly Goodhead]

It is pertinent.  it wasn't written for your approval.

 The relevence being the jemmied shutters claim was made- now the suppoters want to dismiss it as  some sort of accident of the tongue/ or wipe it from the story.  It is THE MAIN REASON Kate gives for bringing the abductor into her vision of what happened which she has claimed for over 12 years! Therefore, it is very pertinant.


 I respect you as a mod, as a poster not so much. As a person you seem ok to me.

  I come here to discuss the case with like minded people, your opinion is wasted on me, but feel free to get the attention as being someone of importance on here.

Apologies if I'm asking basic questions, I'm new and still learning, but who claimed the shutters had been jemmied and where is it documented?

[faithlilly]

The role of a mod, as I see it, is not to micro-manage posts but to maintain the high level rules set out on the home.

Indeed.

[Mr Gray]

Apologies if I'm asking basic questions, I'm new and still learning, but who claimed the shutters had been jemmied and where is it documented?

It seems such a simple question doesn't it

Sceptics will claim Kate and Gerry although there is no record of them ever saying it

[jassi]

Apologies if I'm asking basic questions, I'm new and still learning, but who claimed the shutters had been jemmied and where is it documented?

Members of the McCann family, among others.

Google 'Mccann jemmied shutters' for more details.

[Robittybob1]

The role of a mod, as I see it, is not to micro-manage posts but to maintain the high level rules set out on the home.

Are you a moderator on this section of the forum?  Like I don't consider myself a moderator on the whole forum but just in the McCann section.
John issued some new rules, did you feel they applied to you?

[G-Unit]

It seems such a simple question doesn't it

Sceptics will claim Kate and Gerry although there is no record of them ever saying it

Sceptics have chosen to believe the McCann's friends and relatives, Supporters have chosen not to.

Gerry's sister, The Sun, 4th May'
“He said ’Madeleine’s been abducted, she’s been abducted’.
“The door was lying open, the window in the bedroom and the shutters had been jemmied open...

Jill Renwick, friend, Evening Standard 4th May,
The shutters had been broken open ...
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/NEWS_REPORT_INDEX.htm

[The General]

It seems such a simple question doesn't it

Sceptics will claim Kate and Gerry although there is no record of them ever saying it

Which would surely mean that family members and friends were all mistaken in unison. Or were lying in unison. (Jill, Phil, et al)

[Holly Goodhead]

Are you a moderator on this section of the forum?  Like I don't consider myself a moderator on the whole forum but just in the McCann section.
John issued some new rules, did you feel they applied to you?

I think you'll find we're both off topic! 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do we think the use of the word "jemmy" is highly significant?  If Gerry actually said "jemmy" what would that imply exactly?  That he is a liar?  Mistaken?  Just using a turn of phrase to mean opened unlawfully?  "Jemmied Shutters" has become one of those memes for this case, like "Ask The Dogs Sandra" and "Dogs Don't Lie" but does it have anything important to tell us?  Or is it just used as a stick with which to beat Gerry McCann, who after all may not have actually used the word at all, but whose (no doubt frantic) phone conversation with  a family member may have been interpreted by that same member to mean that the shutters had been jemmied and who told this to other family members and thus the legend was born.  Is this the kind of thing that keeps people including the police awake at night do we think?

[faithlilly]

Which would surely mean that family members and friends were all mistaken in unison. Or were lying in unison. (Jill, Phil, et al)

Two points. It is obvious from the film of Trish Cameron and her mother that ‘jemmied’ is not a word that would willingly come to Trish’s mind, in fact she has trouble with the pronunciation, suggesting whoever she spoke to used the word. That person was Gerry.

Further we were told that by the time Gerry spoke to his sister he had already tried to raise the shutters from outside and found that he could. From that point he would have known that there was no need to jemmy anything, therefore why tell his sister that they had been ?

[faithlilly]

Do we think the use of the word "jemmy" is highly significant?  If Gerry actually said "jemmy" what would that imply exactly?  That he is a liar?  Mistaken?  Just using a turn of phrase to mean opened unlawfully?  "Jemmied Shutters" has become one of those memes for this case, like "Ask The Dogs Sandra" and "Dogs Don't Lie" but does it have anything important to tell us?  Or is it just used as a stick with which to beat Gerry McCann, who after all may not have actually used the word at all, but whose (no doubt frantic) phone conversation with  a family member may have been interpreted by that same member to mean that the shutters had been jemmied and who told this to other family members and thus the legend was born.  Is this the kind of thing that keeps people including the police awake at night do we think?

I’m sure it’s a signpost to more important issues.

[jassi]

Do we think the use of the word "jemmy" is highly significant?  If Gerry actually said "jemmy" what would that imply exactly?  That he is a liar?  Mistaken?  Just using a turn of phrase to mean opened unlawfully?  "Jemmied Shutters" has become one of those memes for this case, like "Ask The Dogs Sandra" and "Dogs Don't Lie" but does it have anything important to tell us?  Or is it just used as a stick with which to beat Gerry McCann, who after all may not have actually used the word at all, but whose (no doubt frantic) phone conversation with  a family member may have been interpreted by that same member to mean that the shutters had been jemmied and who told this to other family members and thus the legend was born.  Is this the kind of thing that keeps people including the police awake at night do we think?

Your degree of twisting suggests that you do think it important -IMO

[Holly Goodhead]

Sceptics have chosen to believe the McCamm's friends and relatives, Supporters have chosen not to.

Gerry's sister, The Sin, 4th May'
“He said ’Madeleine’s been abducted, she’s been abducted’.
“The door was lying open, the window in the bedroom and the shutters had bee\n jemmied open...

Jill Renwick, friend, Evening Stndard 4th May,
The shutters had been broken open ...
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/NEWS_REPORT_INDEX.htm

But this is hardly reliable info.  Were they told the shutters had been jemmied or was this just an assumption on their part made on the basis of late night tel calls in the immediate aftermath?  Does anyone continue to believe the shutters were jemmied?

I've listened to an audio clip where Jill Renwick talks about the shutters but I can't recall whether she mentioned them being jemmied or not.  I will endeavor to find it. 

Is there any evidence the shutters were jemmied by way of the official investigations, forensic tests etc?  I don't believe there is so the shutters were obviously not jemmied and wires have been crossed?

[The General]

Two points. It is obvious from the film of Trish Cameron and her mother that ‘jemmied’ is not a word that would willingly come to Trish’s mind, in fact she has trouble with the pronunciation, suggesting whoever she spoke to used the word. That person was Gerry.

Further we were told that by the time Gerry spoke to his sister he had already tried to raise the shutters from outside and found that he could. From that point he would have known that there was no need to jemmy anything, therefore why tell his sister that they had been ?

Good points, well made. I forgot about that; she was unsure of the parlance herself and even looked a little embarrassed and apologetic using the term. She was repeating verbatim, despite not being familiar with the word itself.
Besides, you know when a shutter / door has been jemmied / levered / cracked open. It's a destructive act, and one that is carried out as a last resort - hence why supporters must insist that Gerry and Kate never actually said it.
Our abductor however, according now to Gerry, needn't have bothered to bring his crow bar, the shutters move freely from the outside apparently. Which is it?