A Room With A View...

[Holly Goodhead]

It is like comparing apples with oranges= both friuts  but not the same.

April and Bens and Jamie Bulgers parents were doing what parents do within a family setting for the good of the family.

Aprils mum was doing household chores, knowing her daghter was playing with friends- allowing her daughter a little independance.

Bens granparents were creating a comfotable family residence for future family holidays-which inclded Ben!

Jamies mum was out shopping for food for her family.

Similarities if going for the abduction story:

Kates and Gerrys behaviour was not for the benefit of the children at all.

Ben, April, and Jamies parents were absolutely distraught- they could not function and were riddled with guilt

Kate and Gerry were functioning extremely well- jogging,blogging, tennis- no emotional sign of guilt -in fact saying it could have happened  if they were in the apartment!


Ben, April, and Jamies parents all cooperated fully with the police. in the UK the perptrators were found charged and convicted.

Kate and Gerry has  various issued with the police- Kate refusing to answer questions

Bens family spent many years and money going to look for Ben in case he was abducted

Kate and Gerry didn't bother. they went to se lawyers regading a financial transaction via a law suit.


You see NO SIMILARITIES what -so -ever.

Imo the McCanns were totally irreponsible, bordering on neglectful, in leaving the children.  The 'Find Madeleine' campaign was a disaster imo.  Not only did it create a scatter gun approach to the investigation but to many people the McCanns appeared arrogant with a massive sense of entitlement which alienated them from many. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azaria_Chamberlain

Media involvement and bias

The Chamberlain trial was the most publicised in Australian history.[5][better source needed] Given that most of the evidence presented in the case against Lindy Chamberlain was later rejected, the case is now used as an example of how media and bias can adversely affect a trial.[20]

Public and media opinion during the trial was polarised, with "fanciful rumours and sickening jokes" and many cartoons.[21][22] In particular, antagonism was directed towards Lindy Chamberlain for reportedly not behaving like a "stereotypical" grieving mother.[23] Much was made of the Chamberlains' Seventh-day Adventist religion, including false allegations that the church was actually a cult that killed infants as part of bizarre religious ceremonies,[24] that the family took a newborn baby to a remote desert location, and that Lindy Chamberlain showed little emotion during the proceedings.[citation needed]

One anonymous tip was received from a man, falsely claiming to be Azaria's doctor in Mount Isa, that the name "Azaria" meant "sacrifice in the wilderness" (it actually means "God helped").[25] Others claimed that Lindy Chamberlain was a witch.[26]

The press appeared to seize upon any point that could be sensationalised. For example, it was reported that Lindy Chamberlain dressed her baby in a black dress. This provoked negative opinion, despite the trends of the early 1980s, during which black and navy cotton girls' dresses were in fashion, often trimmed with brightly coloured ribbon, or printed with brightly coloured sprigs of flowers.[27][28][

[Lace]

So you’re condemning April’s mother’s decision?

Aprils mother condemned her own decision,  just as the McCann's did.

April's Mum thought April was safe,  the McCann's thought Madeleine was safe.


I wouldn't let a five year old out to play in the evening,  my five year old would have been in bed, or at least be having a bedtime story ready to go to sleep.


I wouldn't have left my child of almost four in an apartment by herself either.


The fact is that parents make decisions,  some of them are not good decisions as they found out and regret for the rest of their lives.


What I hate is people going on and on about it,  I don't condemn the McCann's or April's Mum,  they made decisions for their children,  which were bad ones,  it's not my place to condemn them,  they condemn themselves they torture themselves daily with what they did.   I feel sadness for them,  the wish to let them know not to condemn themselves,  children should be safe where ever they are,  it's the evil people out there who should be condemned.   IMO

[faithlilly]

Aprils mother condemned her own decision,  just as the McCann's did.

April's Mum thought April was safe,  the McCann's thought Madeleine was safe.


I wouldn't let a five year old out to play in the evening,  my five year old would have been in bed, or at least be having a bedtime story ready to go to sleep.


I wouldn't have left my child of almost four in an apartment by herself either.


The fact is that parents make decisions,  some of them are not good decisions as they found out and regret for the rest of their lives.


What I hate is people going on and on about it,  I don't condemn the McCann's or April's Mum,  they made decisions for their children,  which were bad ones,  it's not my place to condemn them,  they condemn themselves they torture themselves daily with what they did.   I feel sadness for them,  the wish to let them know not to condemn themselves,  children should be safe where ever they are,  it's the evil people out there who should be condemned.   IMO

April’s mum thought April would be safe. Kate questioned whether her children would be safe but took the option that suited herself and her husband, not her children, most.

[The General]

Have another dig,  feel better now?

if someone would have suggested that 5 year olds routinely play outside - it's what Brits do - I'd be more inclined to agree with that than we routinely leave them unattended on holiday.
As a council estate kid it was the norm as I was growing up and little has changed. So there's this perception of societal norms and the concept of perceived negligence to be considered.

[Mr Gray]

if someone would have suggested that 5 year olds routinely play outside - it's what Brits do - I'd be more inclined to agree with that than we routinely leave them unattended on holiday.
As a council estate kid it was the norm as I was growing up and little has changed. So there's this perception of societal norms and the concept of perceived negligence to be considered.

I went to a hotel in Cornwall next to Jamie Oliver's 15

Children were not allowed in the rest aurant after 6 so the advice on the hotel website was to leave the kids asleep in the room and pop accross to the restaurant

[The General]

I went to a hotel in Cornwall next to Jamie Oliver's 15

Children were not allowed in the rest aurant after 6 so the advice on the hotel website was to leave the kids asleep in the room and pop accross to the restaurant

Might as well have just said 'We don't want to deter you from coming and eating our over-priced 'gourmet' faire after 6 though, so why not lock the kids up in your room and hope for the best for a few hours?'

[Lace]

Might as well have just said 'We don't want to deter you from coming and eating our over-priced 'gourmet' faire after 6 though, so why not lock the kids up in your room and hope for the best for a few hours?'

Before I say anything else,   I would never leave my children in an apartment abroad or at home.

That doesn't mean that people don't do it though does it?    I have seen children left alone whilst I've been on holiday.   There are children left alone in tents,  whilst their parents attend a bbq a few tents away.   Children left to play by the pool whilst their parents have a drink or go to sleep.  On the beach where ever etc.

The McCann's decided to do their own checking,  every half hour or so.   They thought it was safe and I'm not going to say 'hang them'  because the decision was made by them all,  they thought it was a safe place it was a quiet family resort.  The decision back fired,  and no one will be feeling any worse that the McCann's themselves,  they have lost their beautiful little girl.   I think that is punishment enough.   


April was out playing,  she was by herself when the abductor invited her into his car.   It was quite dark,  she was out of hear shot and eye sight of her parents.  She was five.   I wouldn't have done that either,  my five year old wouldn't be playing in the street at that time of night.   Yet again,  it was the parents decision, she had no doubt played outside like that before.   They are suffering the outcome of their bad decision.   My heart goes out to them.   They have had a backlash of abuse too just like the McCann's.  What makes people want to rub salt into the wounds of these parents who have lost children?

[faithlilly]

Have another dig,  feel better now?

Tell me what wasn’t factual about what I wrote ?

[Erngath]

Before I say anything else,   I would never leave my children in an apartment abroad or at home.

That doesn't mean that people don't do it though does it?    I have seen children left alone whilst I've been on holiday.   There are children left alone in tents,  whilst their parents attend a bbq a few tents away.   Children left to play by the pool whilst their parents have a drink or go to sleep.  On the beach where ever etc.

The McCann's decided to do their own checking,  every half hour or so.   They thought it was safe and I'm not going to say 'hang them'  because the decision was made by them all,  they thought it was a safe place it was a quiet family resort.  The decision back fired,  and no one will be feeling any worse that the McCann's themselves,  they have lost their beautiful little girl.   I think that is punishment enough.   


April was out playing,  she was by herself when the abductor invited her into his car.   It was quite dark,  she was out of hear shot and eye sight of her parents.  She was five.   I wouldn't have done that either,  my five year old wouldn't be playing in the street at that time of night.   Yet again,  it was the parents decision, she had no doubt played outside like that before.   They are suffering the outcome of their bad decision.   My heart goes out to them.   They have had a backlash of abuse too just like the McCann's.  What makes people want to rub salt into the wounds of these parents who have lost children?

Agreed.

[slartibartfast]

Before I say anything else,   I would never leave my children in an apartment abroad or at home.

That doesn't mean that people don't do it though does it?    I have seen children left alone whilst I've been on holiday.   There are children left alone in tents,  whilst their parents attend a bbq a few tents away.   

If you BBQ in tents, you tend to die quite quickly...

[Vertigo Swirl]

If you BBQ in tents, you tend to die quite quickly...

Serves em right for leaving their kids unattended.

[Robittybob1]

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Lace doesn't come here often so I suppose a little grace is given but the forum would be chaos if comments like the above were allowed. It would come under the title of sniping or goading.  Pretty direct.
OK let's be mindful of how we approach each other.

[Robittybob1]

What I hate is people going on and on about it


Oh so what do you intend to do about this hatred.  You are quite happy to come to a forum on a thread where people are discussing a missing child case.  Do you suppose John should succumb to your anxiety and close it down?

It is a thought.

[Lace]

Lace doesn't come here often so I suppose a little grace is given but the forum would be chaos if comments like the above were allowed. It would come under the title of sniping or goading.  Pretty direct.
OK let's be mindful of how we approach each other.

Sorry Rob delete my post.

[Lace]

What I hate is people going on and on about it


Oh so what do you intend to do about this hatred.  You are quite happy to come to a forum on a thread where people are discussing a missing child case.  Do you suppose John should succumb to your anxiety and close it down?

Don't be silly.    What I hate is people going on about the parents leaving the children,  when that is done and dusted,   what is the point of repeating it?    It doesn't mean the McCann's are guilty of staging an abduction does it?