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Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #585 on: July 11, 2019, 06:42:54 PM »
what evidence do you have that  the dogs have been sufficiently tested for alerts to other things none...thedogs seem only to be tested for their ability to detect cadaver...
Even if you had tested the dogs on 10,000 different odours there is only another  million of other chemicals or combination of chemicals to test.   There is no end to the number of substances to test if they went down that track.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #586 on: July 11, 2019, 06:52:07 PM »
Even if you had tested the dogs on 10,000 different odours there is only another  million of other chemicals or combination of chemicals to test.   There is no end to the number of substances to test if they went down that track.

Then it cannot be proved that Eddie alerted to cadaver odour in 5a

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #587 on: July 11, 2019, 06:53:24 PM »
The dog's alering to what he's trained to alert to.

You can't prove that

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #588 on: July 11, 2019, 06:55:48 PM »
But the dogs found where the dead dude was stored, as the killer dude said they would.
So dogs found where dead dude was. Evidence. Proof of concept.

Proof that the dogs will alert to cadaver... Not proof that every alert is confirmation of cadaver odour

Offline misty

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #589 on: July 11, 2019, 06:57:55 PM »
Look, I'm all for people having a go, even, as Sadie has, going and touching and sniffing, which is commendable in itself. But I also believe that all rational thought is dispensed with once a theory has been decided upon and dogma takes hold.
I don't believe a crack band of abductors positioned themselves in an overlooking apartment waiting on their prey. If this unlikely scenario were to play out, this highly organised unit would not be faffing about observing anything. Certainly not hiring a holiday let in the name of K Templar, Rosslyn, Midlothian. As for procuring a special key from a complicit member of staff? The back door was literally open. Our elite grab team didn't deem it necessary to check if the doors were unlocked?

G5J was not a holiday let managed or cleaned by Ocean Club. IMO it was a privately-owned apartment & details are not in the public files.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_CLEANER.htm
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Upon being asked, she states that she is a cleaner and has been working as such for around 13 years with the company 'THE OCEAN CLUB'. Her two daughters, FM and DI work with her in the same department.

Regarding her job, she points out that she is the person who is responsible for cleaning Block 5, more specifically apartments A, B, C, D, H, I, K, L, M and P, and also states that when the child disappeared only apartments A, B, D, G, H and K were occupied.

Furthermore, no keys were available for G5J at OC as the PJ had to force entry via a rear balcony window.


As far as the keys to 5A are concerned (and possibly G5J) cruciform "jiggler" skeleton keys can be purchased over the internet. There are reports Paulo Pereira Cristovao's housebreaking/robbery antics were carried out in association with a locksmith's assistant, who is currently serving time.
IMO it really wouldn't take long to plan & execute the abduction of a child once the target had been selected, especially in the relaxed environment of a quiet holiday resort.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #590 on: July 11, 2019, 07:12:48 PM »
Then it cannot be proved that Eddie alerted to cadaver odour in 5a
You are making it impossible for if there was another chemical combination that mimicked  human cadaver odour, in cases of "genuine cadaver finds" how do you you know for sure the dog didn't alert to the chemicals?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #591 on: July 11, 2019, 07:17:16 PM »
You are making it impossible for if there was another chemical combination that mimicked  human cadaver odour, in cases of "genuine cadaver finds" how do you you know for sure the dog didn't alert to the chemicals?

Im not making anything...in his white paper grimetalks about wanting to establish  scientific basis for the alerts..

his opinion and anectdotal witness statement count for nothing in science....he cannot claim scientific basis withoutt proper scientific tests

 all this should be on the dog thread

Offline G-Unit

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #592 on: July 11, 2019, 07:19:20 PM »
You can't prove that

And you, despite writing many many many words about it, can't prove that he didn't.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #593 on: July 11, 2019, 07:21:59 PM »
And you, despite writing many many many words about it, can't prove that he didn't.
So as it can’t be proved one way or the other these alerts are useless.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #594 on: July 11, 2019, 07:25:34 PM »
So as it can’t be proved one way or the other these alerts are useless.
In the tests the dogs trained by Grime were "in the high nineties".  So there was no claim they were 100% accurate.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #595 on: July 11, 2019, 07:26:00 PM »
And you, despite writing many many many words about it, can't prove that he didn't.

I certainly cant...just as i cant prove that there isnt a giant celestial teapot in orbit around saturn whose orbit means its always hidden from earth...the alerts are in good company

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #596 on: July 11, 2019, 07:26:34 PM »
In the tests the dogs trained by Grime were "in the high nineties".  So there was no claim they were 100% accurate.

it depends what was tested

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #597 on: July 11, 2019, 07:28:42 PM »
it depends what was tested
Training.  Using the training samples.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #598 on: July 11, 2019, 07:30:09 PM »
Training.  Using the training samples.

what was tested...the dogs ability to recognise target odour....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #599 on: July 11, 2019, 07:30:36 PM »
So as it can’t be proved one way or the other these alerts are useless.

Hardly, unless you are saying the police forces who deploy them, including OG, are incompetent at best.
What's up, old man?