A Room With A View...

[faithlilly]

Both at differing times, depending how strong I was feeling.

Okay. Not how I would do it...no matter how weak I was feeling my daughter would always have a name.... but it does give me a better understanding of why you support the parents.

[faithlilly]

Why are you so reluctant to face the only logical conclusion of your suspicions?  That the pair must be evil sociopaths?  I can only imagine that you think you would behave in a similar “pragmatic” manner in the event that one of your grandkids accidentally died on your watch.

Died ? Don’t you mean disappeared?

And I don’t think the parents are sociopaths...I think they found themselves in a horrendous situation and tried to salvage their life from the wreckage...everything else stemmed from that. They aren’t sociopaths but the have the ability to be dishonest when they feel they are in danger.

And no, I’d never behave in such a manner because I wouldn’t have to. I’d never leave my grandchildren long enough to enable them to meet with such a catastrophe.

[Erngath]

Okay. Not how I would do it...no matter how weak I was feeling my my daughter would always have a name.... but it does give me a better understanding of why you support the parents.

Fair enough.
For me to say my child's name in public  if he was missing would reduce me to a tearful wreck.
If I was trying to stop being reduced to a tearful wreck then I might not use his name.
I do hope you are not suggesting that my love for my children is not as it should be.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Died ? Don’t you mean disappeared?

And I don’t think the parents are sociopaths...I think they found themselves in a horrendous situation and tried to salvage their life from the wreckage...everything else stemmed from that. They aren’t sociopaths but the have the ability to be dishonest when they feel they are in danger.

And no, I’d never behave in such a manner because I wouldn’t have to. I’d never leave my grandchildren long enough to enable them to meet with such a catastrophe.

Such a predictable response.  No bad thing could ever happen to one of your grandchildren under your watch.  I hope for your and your grandchildren’s sake nothing ever does but it is impossible IMO to state with any degree of certainty that it wouldn’t.  And yes, I meant died, because that is what you believe happened to Madeleine. 

[Erngath]

Died ? Don’t you mean disappeared?

And I don’t think the parents are sociopaths...I think they found themselves in a horrendous situation and tried to salvage their life from the wreckage...everything else stemmed from that. They aren’t sociopaths but the have the ability to be dishonest when they feel they are in danger.

And no, I’d never behave in such a manner because I wouldn’t have to. I’d never leave my grandchildren long enough to enable them to meet with such a catastrophe.

No I wouldn't either, not would I have placed my children in the situation that many other disappeared,.murdered children both here and abroad have met with such catastrophe.
However I do realise that all parents of such missing, murdered.children will deeply regret the decision they made which placed their child
In that catastrophic situation.

[faithlilly]

Fair enough.
For me to say my child's name in public  if he was missing would reduce me to a tearful wreck.
If I was trying to stop being reduced to a tearful wreck then I might not use his name.
I do hope you are not suggesting that my love for my children is not as it should be.

Not at all. TBH I think you’re made of sterner stuff than you’re letting on and you would call your child by their name no matter how hard it was. I grew up with women like you...I know how strong they can be when they have to be.

It’s possible to support the parents while not being able to explain everything they’ve done.

[faithlilly]

Such a predictable response.  No bad thing could ever happen to one of your grandchildren under your watch.  I hope for your and your grandchildren’s sake nothing ever does but it is impossible IMO to state with any degree of certainty that it wouldn’t.  And yes, I meant died, because that is what you believe happened to Madeleine.

Shall we get things straight. Madeleine would almost certainly never have met the fate that befell her if her parents had been there. 30 minutes is too long to leave such young children alone....it makes me shiver just to think of it. My grandchildren would never be left alone for that long so yes I can say with absolute certainty that my grandchildren would never meet with an accident through not being properly supervised.

[pathfinder73]

Or simply repeating what Gerry in his initial distraught state believed.   

What I cant understand is why are you all making such a lot out of this Jemmied thing ?


Poor bloke must have been near out of his mind at that time, especially as he believed someone had broken in (to abduct his lovely daughter)   At that time he thought that the shutters were a security measure and that they could not be opened from outside, so they had to have been forced/ jemmied.   He must have very near demented with dreadful thoughts.  At this time his thoughts would have been passed on to his friends.

Hence the unison.   NORMAL in such circumstances IMO


They were more concerned about the search than examining the shutters .... and once the PJ  and maybe the GNR got involved the place was taped off and they no longer could.

AIMO

The patio door was unlocked and you bring up a shutter as a security measure  The mother finds one of children gone and immediately leaves her other two children unattended. What BS! No evidence of a stranger abductor at the crime scene but they tampered with it and the police know it!

[Miss Taken Identity]

Died ? Don’t you mean disappeared?

And I don’t think the parents are sociopaths...I think they found themselves in a horrendous situation and tried to salvage their life from the wreckage...everything else stemmed from that. They aren’t sociopaths but the have the ability to be dishonest when they feel they are in danger.

And no, I’d never behave in such a manner because I wouldn’t have to. I’d never leave my grandchildren long enough to enable them to meet with such a catastrophe.

I believe they are sociopaths in their behaviour before ,on the day and after the day MBM was declared disappeared.
It was self protection at the cost of  assisting the police with as much information to find their daughter. The whole episode became a car crash of huge poportion.

They are holding back information is what I believe. Now as their abduction from the window story is blown apart by bloggers,  and other interested investigators world wide, they find themselves in a position of being exposed to a wider wiser audience that they had before.  They now know the reality...

[Vertigo Swirl]

Shall we get things straight. Madeleine would almost certainly never have met the fate that befell her if her parents had been there. 30 minutes is too long to leave such young children alone....it makes me shiver just to think of it. My grandchildren would never be left alone for that long so yes I can say with absolute certainty that my grandchildren would never meet with an accident through not being properly supervised.

We all know you wouldn’t leave your grankids alone for 30 minutes to go on the piss but there are plenty of other tragedies that can and do happen to children while in the supervision of their carers.  For example a child was shot dead by his grandfather recently.  That was an accident I’m sure.  So please don’t tell me nothing bad could happen.  It could and sadly does. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Incidentally, here is that “distancing” quote in full

Kate MC : I kind of knew straight away then that Madeleine had been taken. It’s not us that have committed this crime. It’s a person who’s gone into that apartment and taken a little girl away from her family.

[Vertigo Swirl]

More quotes from the same interview:

Gerald MC : When there is a special occasion, when you should be at your happiest and Madeleine’s not there, that’s when it really hits home.

[Vertigo Swirl]

KMC : I think we’ll all woke up around 7:30 and went through to have breakfast. It was at that point that Madeleine said “Where were you when Sean and I cried last night?” And it’s one of those questions that kind of throws you.

[Vertigo Swirl]

GMC  : We had a, a lesson booked, for the two of us, a tennis lesson. And then I stayed on and Kate went for a run. So at 5 o’clock I went over, em, to meet the kids and Kate came back from her running. Madeleine looked really tired. She was really pale and quite washed out. We decided to take them straight back to the apartment. And just before six, I then headed off back to play tennis and left Kate to get them ready.

[Vertigo Swirl]

GMC  : … Madeleine loved it. She really wanted to get in that water.