A Room With A View...

[Brietta]

Which was by definition MM who just happened to be 'home alone' in an unlocked apartment.  He/she certainly struck lucky!

I don't think that luck came into it.  I think the a well rehearsed plan was in operation into operation and I don't think the unlocked patio door had anything to do with it.
I think the consequence of her parents dining about 35 seconds distance away was relevant only in that the opportunity to abduct Madeleine was grasped perhaps earlier than anticipated.

[faithlilly]

I don't think that luck came into it.  I think the a well rehearsed plan was in operation into operation and I don't think the unlocked patio door had anything to do with it.
I think the consequence of her parents dining about 35 seconds distance away was relevant only in that the opportunity to abduct Madeleine was grasped perhaps earlier than anticipated.

But the chances are that IF the patio doors had been locked and IF her parents had been at home it is likely that we would never have heard her name.

[Erngath]

But the chances are that IF the patio doors had been locked and IF her parents had been at home it is likely that we would never have heard her name.

That word "if" would apply to all abducted, murdered children.

[faithlilly]

That word "if" would apply to all abducted, murdered children.

The parent’s actions had a conscious element to it...Kate herself said she was unsure if they should leave the children alone...you don’t find this in other missing children cases.

[Wonderfulspam]

Despite the success of this organised abduction gang in stealing Maddie & leaving no trace. They haven't gone on to abduct any other child, either in the Algarve, Portugal or anywhere on planet earth.

Perhaps they just went back to their day jobs.

[Erngath]

The parent’s actions had a conscious element to it...Kate herself said she was unsure if they should leave the children alone...you don’t find this in other missing children cases.

And you know for a fact that the parents of other missing, murdered children didn't have the same conscious decision to make or the same hesitation in that decision which allowed their child to be abducted or murdered?

[Robittybob1]

But if you consider apartment block 4 (to the left of 5 looking at them from poolside) the corner apartment was equally accessible and dark. 

Why would MM herself be targeted?

G4A  was probably unoccupied.

[jassi]

And you know for a fact that the parents of other missing, murdered children didn't have the same conscious decision to make or the same hesitation in that decision which allowed their child to be abducted or murdered?

Doesn't matter, its not them who are being discussed on this forum

[Miss Taken Identity]

I don't think that luck came into it.  I think the a well rehearsed plan was in operation into operation and I don't think the unlocked patio door had anything to do with it.
I think the consequence of her parents dining about 35 seconds distance away was relevant only in that the opportunity to abduct Madeleine was grasped perhaps earlier than anticipated.

So you are with the jemmied/non jemmied window entry exit.


Only 35 seconds away. yet they saw and heard nothing. then  they claimed they could 'see the apartment'  well they saw the roof at least. It was like sitting in your garden   a cultural thing they claimed.

utter tosh.

Spammer says

"Despite the success of this organised abduction gang in stealing Maddie & leaving no trace. They haven't gone on to abduct any other child, either in the Algarve, Portugal or anywhere on planet earth.

Perhaps they just went back to their day jobs."
 
 Or perhaps they did it as a bet...

[faithlilly]

And you know for a fact that the parents of other missing, murdered children didn't have the same conscious decision to make or the same hesitation in that decision which allowed their child to be abducted or murdered?

Letting your children out to play or loosing sight of them for a few minutes in a shop are a natural part of everyday life. Leaving 3 under fours in an unlocked, unfamiliar apartment, and shockingly, doing it because it might be better for your under four year old, if they woke up alone, to come out into the night to find you, isn’t.

[Brietta]

The parent’s actions had a conscious element to it...Kate herself said she was unsure if they should leave the children alone...you don’t find this in other missing children cases.

But you certainly do find plenty only too willing to blame the parents of murdered children for the actions of others which are most certainly outwith their control.

One on the list is the mother of much loved April Jones who has been found wanting in the Kangaroo Court of opinion ...

Snip
“These people get a bit of information, they don’t have the full story, and they make a judgement. But it’s horrendous for families. These are families who have enough to put up with,” she explained.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11527029/April-Jones-mum-receives-hate-mail-blaming-her-for-the-schoolgirls-murder.html

[faithlilly]

But you certainly do find plenty only too willing to blame the parents of murdered children for the actions of others which are most certainly outwith their control.

One on the list is the mother of much loved April Jones who has been found wanting in the Kangaroo Court of opinion ...

Snip
“These people get a bit of information, they don’t have the full story, and they make a judgement. But it’s horrendous for families. These are families who have enough to put up with,” she explained.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11527029/April-Jones-mum-receives-hate-mail-blaming-her-for-the-schoolgirls-murder.html

See my post above.

[Erngath]

Letting your children out to play or loosing sight of them for a few minutes in a shop are a natural part of everyday life. Leaving 3 under fours in an unlocked, unfamiliar apartment, and shocking

Letting your children out of your sight at any time when they are young always requires a decision to be made, sometimes when the dangers and safeguards are recognised , parents may make the wrong decision.
Leaving your child asleep in an unlocked apartment and checking on them was a wrong decision.
Equally allowing very young children out to play on a dark evening without parental observation is also a wrong decision.
It may be a natural part of everyday life for some children but it is still placing a child in danger.
I would have chosen to do neither.

[Miss Taken Identity]

But you certainly do find plenty only too willing to blame the parents of murdered children for the actions of others which are most certainly outwith their control.

One on the list is the mother of much loved April Jones who has been found wanting in the Kangaroo Court of opinion ...

Snip
“These people get a bit of information, they don’t have the full story, and they make a judgement. But it’s horrendous for families. These are families who have enough to put up with,” she explained.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11527029/April-Jones-mum-receives-hate-mail-blaming-her-for-the-schoolgirls-murder.html

I don't know why you use the April Jones story for this debate. We are all aware that there are nasty ,sad, ignorant people who use social media for a perverse bit of fun.  but it is best not to try and associate those imbiciles with people who do not agree with the McCanns story. Especially since their accounts can be pulled apart quite easily!

It has been proved in a court of law that April ws indeed abducted by someone who knew her and her family and murdered.

McCanns - just hearsay she was abducted.

[jassi]

Letting your children out of your sight at any time when they are young always requires a decision to be made, sometimes when the dangers and safeguards are recognised , parents may make the wrong decision.
Leaving your child asleep in an unlocked apartment and checking on them was a wrong decision.
Equally allowing very young children out to play on a dark evening without parental observation is also a wrong decision.
It may be a natural part of everyday life for some children but it is still placing a child in danger.
I would have chosen to do neither.

Good for you