Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think you're mistaken, but whatever evidence was presented it convinced a jury.

I know I’m not, it was all circumstantial, nothing whatsoever of substance.

[Robittybob1]

I know I’m not, it was all circumstantial, nothing whatsoever of substance.

That is why I don't like circumstantial evidence but it is accepted by the courts and society in general.  But there is always room to question it.

[faithlilly]

I know I’m not, it was all circumstantial, nothing whatsoever of substance.

Except witnesses of course.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Except witnesses of course.

witness statements are circumstantial evidence.  Not one of them claimed to have seen the girl dead or being killed did they?

[faithlilly]

witness statements are circumstantial evidence.  Not one of them claimed to have seen the girl dead or being killed did they?

Very, very few murder cases involve witnesses who actually see the victim being killed. Are you saying their evidence should be discounted ? Further you said he was most probably guilty so you must have given those same witness’s evidence weight.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Very, very few murder cases involve witnesses who actually see the victim being killed. Are you saying their evidence should be discounted ? Further you said he was most probably guilty so you must have given those same witness’s evidence weight.

Three words: beyond reasonable doubt.

[faithlilly]

Three words: beyond reasonable doubt.

Obviously it wasn’t as he’s rotting in prison.

The jury heard all the evidence, not just the reported segments.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Obviously it wasn’t as he’s rotting in prison.

The jury heard all the evidence, not just the reported segments.

yes, because juries, like dogs, are infallible.

[faithlilly]

yes, because juries, like dogs, are infallible.

Neither is the judgement of internet detectives....so I’ll go with twelve good men and true who actually heard the whole of the evidence and decided on that.

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion this is just part of your ongoing campaign against Martin Grime. That campaign suggests to me that you see the alerts by his dogs as far from meaningless.

its rather telling that your post is ad hom and you seem unable to challenge the points I am making. Im afraid you are totally mistaken as to your suggestions. I question the alerts...purely because of the lack of evidence to support them. Grime claimed he didnt know which car belonged to Lane....I wonder how many had child seats in the back.

11 alerts in jersey...most to baby teeth...yet Grime now says the dog would not alert to them...cant you see any inconsistency...i can and Im sure others can too

[jassi]

That is why I don't like circumstantial evidence but it is accepted by the courts and society in general.  But there is always room to question it.

Do you not think it might depend on quantity?
If there were (say) 50 or 100 or more pieces of circumstantial evidence, rather than just a couple, would that not be much more significant?

[Mr Gray]

Neither is the judgement of internet detectives....so I’ll go with twelve good men and true who actually heard the whole of the evidence and decided on that.

one of the judges in the Cipriano trial did not think she was guilty....there was an interview with GA and  a portuguese journalist who said most portuguese dont think shes guilty....i support her because I dont think she is a child killer

[Wonderfulspam]

one of the judges in the Cipriano trial did nit think she was guilty....tthere was an interview with GA and  a portuguese journalist who said most portuguese dont think shes guilty....i support her because I dont think she is a child killer

I wonder why she didn't bother to call the police when her daughter was abducted?

[Miss Taken Identity]

I wonder why she didn't bother to call the police when her daughter was abducted?

Yes, a coincedence or what?

Kate didn't think to call the police immediatly she wasted time running to tell people who could do nothin then had a wee run around checking.

Lang  staggered all the way to mothers house  passing people and shops,forgetting to call the police?

Lesson to learn:  if your child is abducted call emergency police RIGHT AWAY.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Neither is the judgement of internet detectives....so I’ll go with twelve good men and true who actually heard the whole of the evidence and decided on that.

That’s all very well but the inescapable fact is there was no solid evidence against him proving beyond reasonable doubt that he did the deed.