Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.

[Mr Gray]

Google is your friend. There's loads of articles in forensic science journals.

I don't need to look... All the articles test whether the dog alerts to a known sample of cadaver odour.
All that tells us is the dogs will alert if a cadaver odour source is present ..it doesn't tell us if the dog will alert to other things

[Mr Gray]

Gonçalo barked at his two cadaver finds to date.

He has never barked at stale urine, though he does enjoy sniffing it a lot.  The village dogs like to mark 'their' territory on their adventures.

I've never thought about testing him on stale human urine.

Now I need a specimen bottle.

Your dog is not a properly trained cadaver dog

[ShiningInLuz]

Your dog is not a properly trained cadaver dog

Don't worry about it.

You have recently rejected 'anecdotal' evidence.  You have dismissed scientific evidence.  You have refused to conduct your own research of scientific articles.

It is pretty clear that you're not going to accept anything, so why keep up the negativity?

Two forum members asked me perform an exercise utilising my dog.  They did not ask me to resource a trained, tested, accredited police dog.

Feel free to reject the findings of this experiment before it has begun.  I have come to expect no less.

[Mr Gray]

Don't worry about it.

You have recently rejected 'anecdotal' evidence.  You have dismissed scientific evidence.  You have refused to conduct your own research of scientific articles.

It is pretty clear that you're not going to accept anything, so why keep up the negativity?

Two forum members asked me perform an exercise utilising my dog.  They did not ask me to resource a trained, tested, accredited police dog.

Feel free to reject the findings of this experiment before it has begun.  I have come to expect no less.

Pretty well all wrong

I reject anectdotal evidence... Any scientist would

I have not rejected any scientific evidence... Just pointed out the  limitations of these particular studies

I've already run a search of scientific articles... None if them address the problem I've raised

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Pretty well all wrong

I reject anectdotal evidence... Any scientist would

I have not rejected any scientific evidence... Just pointed out the  limitations of these particular studies

I've already run a search of scientific articles... None if them address the problem I've raised

When your research is published in a scientific journal I’m sure we’ll all get the chance to have our say!

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I don't need to look... All the articles test whether the dog alerts to a known sample of cadaver odour.
All that tells us is the dogs will alert if a cadaver odour source is present ..it doesn't tell us if the dog will alert to other things

Have you actually read the research? Perhaps some scientific researchers have taken account of this. I can’t find the reference but I’m sure I read some of the testing for Eddie (or FBI) had hidden samples from other dead or rotting substances (not human) as part of the testing .

[Mr Gray]

When your research is published in a scientific journal I’m sure we’ll all get the chance to have our say!

I can have my say anyway... Sil does not have a cadaver dog..
He seems to think he has... Rob seems to think he has

[Mr Gray]

Have you actually read the research? Perhaps some scientific researchers have taken account of this. I can’t find the reference but I’m sure I read some of the testing for Eddie (or FBI) had hidden samples from other dead or rotting substances (not human) as part of the testing .

every paper ive seen simply looks at the dogs ability to recognise target scent...fresh target scent at that. if you can find one that addresses false alerts to other products...

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

every paper ive seen simply looks at the dogs ability to recognise target scent...fresh target scent at that. if you can find one that addresses false alerts to other products...

You’ve got it all arse about tit, with respect. The dogs are trained to alert to cadaver odour . They are not trained to alert to dirty nappies, urine, faeces nor any other infinite list of things you care to claim they might alert to. You can then test if they do indeed successfully alert to the odour that they  are trained to alert to.

[Mr Gray]

You’ve got it all arse about tit, with respect. The dogs are trained to alert to cadaver odour . They are not trained to alert to dirty nappies, urine, faeces nor any other infinite list of things you care to claim they might alert to. You can then text if they do indeed successfully alert to the odour that they  are trained to alert to.

you think i have... I think im bang on....

A dog’s utility depends on the skill of its handler. Identifying false signals is an important part of working with a cadaver dog, and results should be backed up with forensic testing. When a dog gives a signal, such as barking or sitting down, to indicate that it has smelled a corpse, a handler can only say something along the lines of, “My dog is giving an indication consistent with human blood.” He can’t say definitively that, yes, a body was present, without further confirmation—in the form of a blood stain, for example.

Got a question about today’s news? Ask the Explainer.

Explainer thanks Maria Claxton of the South Carolina Search and Rescue Dog Association, Larry Myers of the Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine, and Andrew Rebmann of K9 Specialty Search Associates.

[Mr Gray]

You’ve got it all arse about tit, with respect. The dogs are trained to alert to cadaver odour . They are not trained to alert to dirty nappies, urine, faeces nor any other infinite list of things you care to claim they might alert to. You can then text if they do indeed successfully alert to the odour that they  are trained to alert to.

im looking for scientific confirmation...im not going to get it from someone who can only expresshimself in terms of "all arse about tit"...you believe what you want...and i will do the same

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

im looking for scientific confirmation...im not going to get it from someone who can only expresshimself in terms of "all arse about tit"...you believe what you want...and i will do the same

But you do understand that they are trained to alert to cadaver odour. It is made up of specific volatile organic compounds. Your objection to their efficacy could go on ad infinitum. There could be billions of things that you could say they will false alert to. It’s impossible to test all those items. It’s also ridiculous and unscientific to suggest it. Why would Eddie alert to mouthwash when he’s been trained to alert to cadaver odour... He does this with 92-100% accuracy. This alert is then a tool. It points a forensic team to a certain area. Nothing more... nothing less.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

you think i have... I think im bang on....

A dog’s utility depends on the skill of its handler. Identifying false signals is an important part of working with a cadaver dog, and results should be backed up with forensic testing. When a dog gives a signal, such as barking or sitting down, to indicate that it has smelled a corpse, a handler can only say something along the lines of, “My dog is giving an indication consistent with human blood.” He can’t say definitively that, yes, a body was present, without further confirmation—in the form of a blood stain, for example.

Got a question about today’s news? Ask the Explainer.

Explainer thanks Maria Claxton of the South Carolina Search and Rescue Dog Association, Larry Myers of the Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine, and Andrew Rebmann of K9 Specialty Search Associates.

Exactly right. As I just posted. The alert is an indication.The dogs are used as a very useful tool.

[Mr Gray]

But you do understand that they are trained to alert to cadaver odour. It is made up of specific volatile organic compounds. Your objection to their efficacy could go on ad infinitum. There could be billions of things that you could say they will false alert to. It’s impossible to test all those items. It’s also ridiculous and unscientific to suggest it. Why would Eddie alert to mouthwash when he’s been trained to alert to cadaver odour... He does this with 92-100% accuracy. This alert is then a tool. It points a forensic team to a certain area. Nothing more... nothing less.

i know they alert to cadaver odour...but do they alert to other things as well..no tests ahve been done on taht topic

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

i know they alert to cadaver odour...but do they alert to other things as well..no tests ahve been done on taht topic

The list of things that you could claim they might alert to is endless. Your question is irrelevant. They are trained to alert to cadaver odour. The alerts are taken as an indication. That is all they are providing.

What else smells like the substance they are trained to alert to? With your logic don’t you wonder why science journals aren’t littered with research such as “do cadaver dogs alert to traffic lights “....”do cadaver dogs alert to prawn cocktail crisps”?? It must really frustrate you that instead the forensic science asks “do cadaver dogs accurately alert to cadaver odour “