The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?

[Holly Goodhead]

Lots of people make the point that a child conceived by IVF is a wanted child.  It certainly isn't a "mistake" or a "surprise".

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/02/mum-beat-baby-death-years-trying-conceive-ivf-10100946/

[Robittybob1]

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/02/mum-beat-baby-death-years-trying-conceive-ivf-10100946/

Well what does that prove?

[Holly Goodhead]

Lots of people make the point that a child conceived by IVF is a wanted child.  It certainly isn't a "mistake" or a "surprise".

In which case why take an IVF conceived child on hol only to spend every evening out eating and drinking and leave IVF conceived child 'home alone' in an unlocked hol apartment?  Why even after IVF conceived child asks why no one came to comfort her when she was crying did the parents of IVF conceived child still continue eating and drinking and leaving IVF child 'home alone' in an unlocked hol apartment? 

[Holly Goodhead]

Well what does that prove?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10881.msg544692#msg544692

[Holly Goodhead]

Well it hasn't achieved its aim, so therefore the simple answer is no - do you think that's for want of trying?  Should they simply not have bothered at all in your view?  What would you have done?  Beavered away quietly with no fuss and with your dignity intact I suppose.  And how would that have worked out for your missing kid?

I think much of what the McCanns have done over the years has been counter-productive to finding MM. Its also possible any abductor might have released MM but felt unable to do so with all the publicity. 

Let try not to personalise things.  It isn't about me its about the McCanns and I've already acknowledged in post 1 I don't know what I would have done in their position.   

[G-Unit]

Well what does that prove?

I have no idea what the famuly relationships were like, but I don't think it's relevant whether a child was wanted or not. Wanting something doesn't guarantee you'll enjoy it if you get it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I certainly wouldn't be seeking help from the religious community that's for sure.  I did say as much in post 1

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10881.msg544592#msg544592

Is that because you're not religious?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Everything imo hence a lot of people lay and professional are turned off by them. 

Obviously not, a fact they no doubt appreciated from the start.

IMO they have conducted themselves in a most dignified manner.  They have not gone off the rails, become alcoholics, got divorced, they have raised their kids out of the spotlight,  Gerry's career goes from strength to strength, they have the support of their friends and families, if people have a problem with them I think that says more about their critics than the McCanns themselves personally. 

[Robittybob1]

In which case why take an IVF conceived child on hol only to spend every evening out eating and drinking and leave IVF conceived child 'home alone' in an unlocked hol apartment?  Why even after IVF conceived child asks why no one came to comfort her when she was crying did the parents of IVF conceived child still continue eating and drinking and leaving IVF child 'home alone' in an unlocked hol apartment?

Because they thought it was safe.

[Robittybob1]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10881.msg544692#msg544692

As I said "Lots of people make the point that a child conceived by IVF is a wanted child."  That is the perception of others not the parents.
Personally I note that Gerry was somewhat disappointed with Madeleine.  He described her as nearly perfect, in other words to me anyway he had a problem, presumably with the coloboma condition.
OK I might get some adverse reaction to that view.
Kate complains about how loud Madeleine was.  That's my take on it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The parents certainly planned to take court action against Leicestershire police.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mccanns-drop-court-action-as-police-release-files-861524.html

I have no idea what Kate expected but no she didn’t get a private audience with the pope.

So, there you go then, all myths.  The McCanns did not sue or even plan to sue the LP, Kate did not expect a private audience with the Pope and nor did she get one.

[Robittybob1]

Although on a personal level I have difficulty warming and relating to them I don't believe they were involved in MM's disappearance.

What is your view on Kate faking the crime scene?

[Holly Goodhead]

Because they thought it was safe.

How can it be safe, emotionally and psychologically, to allow a small child's cries to go unheard in an unfamiliar place? 

[Robittybob1]

How can it be safe, emotionally and psychologically, to allow a small child's cries to go unheard in an unfamiliar place?

That is why they told her where they were dining so she could find them if she needed to.

It is one thing to think they are not involved but what is your view on the theory Kate faked the crime scene?

[Holly Goodhead]

IMO they have conducted themselves in a most dignified manner.  They have not gone off the rails, become alcoholics, got divorced, they have raised their kids out of the spotlight,  Gerry's career goes from strength to strength, they have the support of their friends and families, if people have a problem with them I think that says more about their critics than the McCanns themselves personally.

Friends and family are emotionally involved and so by definition are unable to remain objective. 

As Jim Gamble said the only side he's on is the side of MM.  I agree and I doubt there's any right thinking person out there who disagrees.