The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?

[Robittybob1]

What difference does that make... I thought opinions were ok

But you say that because you want to make a difference.  You would like cadaver dogs to be tested more thoroughly.  It sounds like a good idea initially as I have agreed but where does that extra thoroughness stop.  How necessary was it in the first place.

I did find one section in those papers where areas of confusion are discussed.  There could be chemical combination concocted that smelt like the target odour. But as far as I know no one has done that yet.

[Mr Gray]

But you say that because you want to make a difference.  You would like cadaver dogs to be tested more thoroughly.  It sounds like a good idea initially as I have agreed but where does that extra thoroughness stop.  How necessary was it in the first place.

I did find one section in those papers where areas of confusion are discussed.  There could be chemical combination concocted that smelt like the target odour. But as far as I know no one has done that yet.

Dog discussion is off topic... It's, what constitutes libel that was being discussed

[Mr Gray]

Perhaps admin could clarify what constitutes libel on this forum

[Miss Taken Identity]

What difference does that make... I thought opinions were ok

What you are saying is YOUR opinion is OK, but Amaral and the PJ's out come of an investigations opinion isn't?

LOL

Expert witneses give Opinions in court - they sometimes differ!

[Robittybob1]

Dog discussion is off topic... It's, what constitutes libel that was being discussed

Fair enough.  I was thinking the same.  All threads ATM are off topic.  "what constitutes libel that was being discussed" is probably off topic too when you think about it.

[Robittybob1]

The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Fair enough.  I was thinking the same.  All threads ATM are off topic.  "what constitutes libel that was being discussed" is probably off topic too when you think about it.

The campaign is based on the McCanns theory of abduction, if we challenge that we are accused of libel, so on topic in some respect.

To assist with this:

https://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html


and this...

"English law allows actions for libel to be brought in the High Court for any published statements which are alleged to defame a named or identifiable individual(s) (under English law companies are legal persons, and may bring suit for defamation[1][2][3]) in a manner which causes them loss in their trade or profession, or causes a reasonable person to think worse of him, her or them. Allowable defences are justification (i.e. the truth of the statement), fair comment (i.e., whether the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held), and privilege (i.e., whether the statements were made in Parliament or in court, or whether they were fair reports of allegations in the public interest). An offer of amends is a barrier to litigation. A defamatory statement is presumed to be false, unless the defendant can prove its truth. Furthermore, to collect compensatory damages, a public official or public figure must prove actual malice (knowing falsity or reckless disregard for the truth). A private individual must only prove negligence (not exercising due care) to collect compensatory damages. In order to collect punitive damages, all individuals must prove actual malice.

English defamation law puts the burden of proving the truth of allegedly defamatory statements on the defendant, rather than the plaintiff, and has been considered an impediment to free speech in much of the developed world. In many cases of libel tourism, plaintiffs sued in England to censor critical works when their home countries would reject the case outright."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law

[Angelo222]

Perhaps admin could clarify what constitutes libel on this forum

It isn't rocket science. The straight forward definition of libel is any false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation. Any post which accuses someone of a criminal act when they have not been prosecuted is a libel.

That said however, there are ways of getting across a point by using carefully chosen words. One could state for example that Maddie died in 5a without accusing anyone.

[Mr Gray]

It isn't rocket science. The straight forward definition of libel is any false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.

I know what I think it is... Rob is suggesting opinion and theories, are not libellous... Could you clarify what is considered libel on this forum

[Robittybob1]

I know what I think it is... Rob is suggesting opinion and theories, are not libellous... Could you clarify what is considered libel on this forum

Could it be that English law is different to USA law?  The rules of this forum refer to USA law rather that UK law don't they?
"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law."

Should that read "National"  rather than "International".  Who sets International Law?  Is that the United Nations?

[Mr Gray]

Could it be that English law is different to USA law?  The rules of this forum refer to USA law rather that UK law don't they?
"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law."

Should that read "National"  rather than "International".  Who sets International Law?  Is that the United Nations?

US, law is different  ..this forum is published in the UK so I would say UK law, applies too... I believe there has already been one letter from CR

[Miss Taken Identity]

Could it be that English law is different to USA law?  The rules of this forum refer to USA law rather that UK law don't they?
"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law."

Should that read "National"  rather than "International".  Who sets International Law?  Is that the United Nations?

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[Robittybob1]

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That's all double Dutch to me.

[Mr Gray]

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I don't think it is... This forum is published and visible in many countries... Those responsible fir it could therefore face action here

[Lace]

Firstly Enid O’Dowd is an accountant...I think you are thinking of Gemma O’Doherty who proved that Martin Smith hadn’t changed his story re Smithman as claimed by the BBC.

Yes lawyers advise their clients on what avenue to take however their clients don’t have to take their advice.

If the parents have a private fund for litigation why is the cost of litigation mentioned in the fund accounts ? It’s time for a cite I think.

The Pope expressed an interest ? I’m sure he didn’t expect the parents of a missing child to hot tail it to Rome to meet him. It wasn’t even a private audience. As I said I attended a more intimate audience.

If they knew Madeleine wouldn’t be found that’s hardly generous. They don’t need the money for a search now so why not donate some of it now ?

Michael Linett- retired accountant,  one of the directors of the Madeleine fund.


I'm not going to go back and forth debating what the McCann's should or shouldn't have done with the moey for Madeleine.  It was entirely up to them,  we don't know what was said in the meeting between the directors of the Madeleine fund with the lawyers,  so it is a pointless exercise as far as I am concerned.   They must have done what was best for them and Madeleine.   As for giving some money to other charities at this time,  I believe the McCann's have said they will use the money in the fund for private detectives if OG doesn't find Madeleine.

The Pope expressed an interest in the case and wanted to meet the McCann's,  they didn't 'hotfoot' as you say, it was probably arranged through Clarence Mitchell.   You make it sound as though they asked to go.