Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.

[Mr Gray]

This has similarities to the McCann case. I think it's clear that the parents would like to say more but fear upsetting the Malaysian authorities

[Vertigo Swirl]

This has similarities to the McCann case. I think it's clear that the parents would like to say more but fear upsetting the Malaysian authorities

Things could certainly turn nasty for them if they did.

[G-Unit]

Funny old world isn’t it, where a sceptic who accepts nothing, believes noone and wants confirmation of everything blithely accepts and believes the words of a foreign police force without question.

The fact that you included the word "foreign" in your reply is revealing. Would you believe them if they were British?

I didn't say I believed them, by the way. I pointed out that the family is relying on belief, but the police rely on evidence. If they can't find any that's it, the case won't progress.

[Mr Gray]

The fact that you included the word "foreign" in your reply is revealing. Would you believe them if they were British?

I didn't say I believed them, by the way. I pointed out that the family is relying on belief, but the police rely on evidence. If they can't find any that's it, the case won't progress.

Unless their is proof then it is still only a belief based on the evidence... The families belief is also based on evidence.
First thete needs to be a second post mortem as the initial one seems suspect

[Vertigo Swirl]

The fact that you included the word "foreign" in your reply is revealing. Would you believe them if they were British?

I didn't say I believed them, by the way. I pointed out that the family is relying on belief, but the police rely on evidence. If they can't find any that's it, the case won't progress.

It is revealing because the constant theme we get on these boards from sceptics is that by comparion to British police forces, foreign police forces are beyond reproach simply it seems for being foreign, like any criticism of them can be dismissed as zenophobia (sic).  That’s why I deliberately included the word.  You obviously trust the Malay police’s reading of the evidence, the Quoirin family apparently do not.  Who do you trust?  No one surely?!

[G-Unit]

It is revealing because the constant theme we get on these boards from sceptics is that by comparion to British police forces, foreign police forces are beyond reproach simply it seems for being foreign, like any criticism of them can be dismissed as zenophobia (sic).  That’s why I deliberately included the word.  You obviously trust the Malay police’s reading of the evidence, the Quoirin family apparently do not.  Who do you trust?  No one surely?!

I find it hard to believe that your understanding of other's post is really as poor as it seems. I can only assume, therefore that it's a deliberate ploy. No-one to my knowledge has ever indicated that foreign police forces are beyond reproach simply for being foreign.

Indeed I don't trust what people say. I trust facts and so far they are few.

[barrier]

Unless their is proof then it is still only a belief based on the evidence... The families belief is also based on evidence.
First thete needs to be a second post mortem as the initial one seems suspect

How so, a report yesterday had a Irish representative at it.

[Mr Gray]

How so, a report yesterday had a Irish representative at it.

you need to look a little closer...an irish policeman perhaps,,...

[Holly Goodhead]

are you suggesting the Malaysian police are mistaken

I don't have enough info to suggest anything.  I do not know which country Nora's body will be returned to: England, France or Ireland but I wonder if the family might request a second post-mortem?

[Mr Gray]

I don't have enough info to suggest anything.  I do not know which country Nora's body will be returned to: England, France or Ireland but I wonder if the family might request a second post-mortem?

I understand the family have already suggested it. At the moment they have to be very careful not to upset the Malaysian authorities. I think we know enough to understand there may be more to this case than woke and wandered

[Vertigo Swirl]

I find it hard to believe that your understanding of other's post is really as poor as it seems. I can only assume, therefore that it's a deliberate ploy. No-one to my knowledge has ever indicated that foreign police forces are beyond reproach simply for being foreign.

Indeed I don't trust what people say. I trust facts and so far they are few.

No one has said it but that is how it appears.  If I criticize a foreign police force some sceptic will be along in a minute to claim that the British police are at least as bad or far worse and that my criticism is disgracefully xenophobic.  It happens with great regularity, perhaps it is you with the comprehension issues.

[Mr Gray]

It will be interesting to see what happens
Foreign police saying no foul play and ortopsy showing death by natural causes..
Family claiming abduction... And an open window

[G-Unit]

It will be interesting to see what happens
Foreign police saying no foul play and ortopsy showing death by natural causes..
Family claiming abduction... And an open window

I don't see what can happen. They can't force the Malaysian police to believe them.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't see what can happen. They can't force the Malaysian police to believe them.

There is plenty that can happen, do you think the matter has been resolved satisfactorily?  Surely you have some doubts, some questions, some things you consider odd or strange?  The police have not closed the case and there is still a hotline for information in place. 

[Mr Gray]

I don't see what can happen. They can't force the Malaysian police to believe them.

would depend on the results of the familys independent ortopsy for one........you need to think outside the box