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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #210 on: January 06, 2020, 08:05:26 PM »
I think it's reasonable to expect locking windows, but guards, CCTV and 'safety features'? In my opinion clients could only expect those if it was common or the law required holiday compounds to have them.

This new information has saddened me some. Here we are again discussing 'broken windows, kidnapped, and the 'child' could not have wandered off.AND a blame game involving money.

It is sickening to the core.  I do not blame the family from wanting to find out what happened, but it seems they do not need to know as they have already made up their minds as to what happened. They take no blame what so ever.

I would argue; the security, if this was a priority to the family, should have been mentioned when first noticed OR should have been highlighted as a   pre condition on booking the holiday! Like perhaps asking the question- what protection do we have from the jungle animals?

"Window latch broken
The statement of claim states that, on or about March 18th, 2019, the plaintiffs booked and paid for a three-night stay at the Dusun resort from August 3rd until August 6th, 2019.

The family had intended to spend three days at the resort before travelling around Malaysia.

After travelling from overseas, Meabh and Sebastien Quoirin checked into the resort with Nóra and their two other younger children on August 3rd. After the journey “they were exhausted and went to bed”, their claim states.

The next morning, at or about 8 am, Nóra’s parents discovered she was missing and noticed that the window in the living area of the bungalow in which they were staying was ajar.

Their statement of claim alleges that the latch on the window was broken and the window could easily be opened by anyone from outside.

It is also alleged that the perimeter fencing was not secured and the entrance gate of the Dusun was kept open at all times and no security personnel were in place to guard the property.

Furthermore, it alleges that there was no closed-circuit television and no other safety facilities were installed at the resort.

It notes that Nóra was born with a medical condition known as holoprosencephaly which left her with balancing and coordination difficulties. “In addition her motor skills and core strength were very poor, and the deceased was unable to walk without the help of an adult. The mental age of the deceased at the time of death was about five or six years old only.”

Postmortems
After the postmortem on Nóra’s body, Malaysian police said on August 15th that there was no evidence of foul play. The police said the cause of death was upper gastrointestinal bleeding due to a duodenal ulcer complicated with perforation. The bleeding in Nóra’s intestine was most likely caused by prolonged hunger and stress, Negeri Sembilan police chief Mohamad Mat Yusof said.

The final results of the postmortem carried out in Malaysia, including the toxicology reports, have not yet been released.

The Quoirins are also still awaiting the results of a second postmortem, carried out in London.

Nóra’s parents have said they believe there was a criminal element in the disappearance and death of their daughter and have called on the Malaysian authorities to open an inquest.

Mr Nair says he suspects that Nóra was abducted."



says  it all. VERY similar to McCanns.

It will be interesting to read the London PM report and the response to that.

However Nóra left the holiday home, it is real strange that she 'survived' in a jungle for all that time, knowing her   cognitive mental conditions and functioning capacity as expressed by the parents.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #211 on: January 06, 2020, 08:22:20 PM »

Anything could have happened.  She could have been stolen from the bath, fallen down the stairs, been electrocuted, burnt to death, and you would have been first in the queue to blame the parents for that as well.  That’s what you do, victim blame. 

So who's fault is it that Nora wandered off?  The Boogey Man's?

It's the owners & workers of the resort I feel sorry for,they are victims here, going to have their reputation dragged through the jungle thanks to these parents inability to accept that their daughter went for a morning safari whilst under their care.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #212 on: January 06, 2020, 08:26:28 PM »
This new information has saddened me some. Here we are again discussing 'broken windows, kidnapped, and the 'child' could not have wandered off.AND a blame game involving money.

It is sickening to the core.  I do not blame the family from wanting to find out what happened, but it seems they do not need to know as they have already made up their minds as to what happened. They take no blame what so ever.

I would argue; the security, if this was a priority to the family, should have been mentioned when first noticed OR should have been highlighted as a   pre condition on booking the holiday! Like perhaps asking the question- what protection do we have from the jungle animals?

"Window latch broken
The statement of claim states that, on or about March 18th, 2019, the plaintiffs booked and paid for a three-night stay at the Dusun resort from August 3rd until August 6th, 2019.

The family had intended to spend three days at the resort before travelling around Malaysia.

After travelling from overseas, Meabh and Sebastien Quoirin checked into the resort with Nóra and their two other younger children on August 3rd. After the journey “they were exhausted and went to bed”, their claim states.

The next morning, at or about 8 am, Nóra’s parents discovered she was missing and noticed that the window in the living area of the bungalow in which they were staying was ajar.

Their statement of claim alleges that the latch on the window was broken and the window could easily be opened by anyone from outside.

It is also alleged that the perimeter fencing was not secured and the entrance gate of the Dusun was kept open at all times and no security personnel were in place to guard the property.

Furthermore, it alleges that there was no closed-circuit television and no other safety facilities were installed at the resort.

It notes that Nóra was born with a medical condition known as holoprosencephaly which left her with balancing and coordination difficulties. “In addition her motor skills and core strength were very poor, and the deceased was unable to walk without the help of an adult. The mental age of the deceased at the time of death was about five or six years old only.”

Postmortems
After the postmortem on Nóra’s body, Malaysian police said on August 15th that there was no evidence of foul play. The police said the cause of death was upper gastrointestinal bleeding due to a duodenal ulcer complicated with perforation. The bleeding in Nóra’s intestine was most likely caused by prolonged hunger and stress, Negeri Sembilan police chief Mohamad Mat Yusof said.

The final results of the postmortem carried out in Malaysia, including the toxicology reports, have not yet been released.

The Quoirins are also still awaiting the results of a second postmortem, carried out in London.

Nóra’s parents have said they believe there was a criminal element in the disappearance and death of their daughter and have called on the Malaysian authorities to open an inquest.

Mr Nair says he suspects that Nóra was abducted."



says  it all. VERY similar to McCanns.

It will be interesting to read the London PM report and the response to that.

However Nóra left the holiday home, it is real strange that she 'survived' in a jungle for all that time, knowing her   cognitive mental conditions and functioning capacity as expressed by the parents.


Indeed.

I wonder if the family read all the info on the resort before booking?

Did it ever claim to have CCTV & security guards?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #213 on: January 06, 2020, 08:27:17 PM »
So who's fault is it that Nora wandered off?  The Boogey Man's?

It's the owners & workers of the resort I feel sorry for,they are victims here, going to have their reputation dragged through the jungle thanks to these parents inability to accept that their daughter went for a morning safari whilst under their care.
If Nora (who could barely walk unaided according to her family) managed to wander off into the jungle on her own then it is no one’s fault, it’s just one of those tragic events that could not have been anticipated.  Obviously you’d rather slag off the parents which makes me wonder if you have an issue with parents generally. 
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #214 on: January 06, 2020, 09:46:15 PM »
If Nora (who could barely walk unaided according to her family) managed to wander off into the jungle on her own then it is no one’s fault, it’s just one of those tragic events that could not have been anticipated.  Obviously you’d rather slag off the parents which makes me wonder if you have an issue with parents generally.

(who could barely walk unaided according to her family)

It will be easy to check- did they use wheelchair for their daughter while travelling or other aids? walking stick /crutches, walking frame/with without wheels?

evidence of any of these found in the apartment or claimed to be missing?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #215 on: January 06, 2020, 11:27:34 PM »
(who could barely walk unaided according to her family)

It will be easy to check- did they use wheelchair for their daughter while travelling or other aids? walking stick /crutches, walking frame/with without wheels?

evidence of any of these found in the apartment or claimed to be missing?

It will be interesting to see how it all works out. The resort isn't suitable for people with walking difficulties due to it's hilly location. 'Locking up' the houses wouldn't appear to be a priority as some of them are designed to be open to the breezes to keep cool, paticularly at night.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #216 on: January 06, 2020, 11:32:32 PM »
If Nora (who could barely walk unaided according to her family) managed to wander off into the jungle on her own then it is no one’s fault, it’s just one of those tragic events that could not have been anticipated.  Obviously you’d rather slag off the parents which makes me wonder if you have an issue with parents generally.

I may be wrong, but I thought she was in a bedroom which was up a spiral staircase.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #217 on: January 06, 2020, 11:38:24 PM »
I may be wrong, but I thought she was in a bedroom which was up a spiral staircase.

Reports were unclear about that, I thought.
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Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #218 on: January 06, 2020, 11:55:43 PM »
Reports were unclear about that, I thought.

It was an early news report.  And I'm dubious about early news reports as being worthy sources of information.

Luxury resort with a bedroom up a spiral staircase?  Hmmm.   *%87

Girl with learning difficulties who manages to sneak out past her parents?  Hmmm.   *%87

Abductor who manages to spirit her away?   Hmmm.   *%87
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #219 on: January 07, 2020, 10:55:10 AM »
I came across this promotional video for the Dunsun Resort in Malaysia. It shows the spiral staircase and how open plan the bungalows are.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #220 on: January 07, 2020, 11:18:08 AM »
I came across this promotional video for the Dunsun Resort in Malaysia. It shows the spiral staircase and how open plan the bungalows are.


As I understood it the parents were on the first floor and an attic room was mentioned as being where the children slept. Maybe Nora was in the ground floor bedroom?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #221 on: January 07, 2020, 05:51:16 PM »

Lovely looking resort, think I've found a future holiday destination. Might need to sell a kidney or two though.

The aerial footage really gives a sense of just how dense that jungle is, & I can see why someone would be eager to explore & then easily find themselves lost in there. Little wonder she wasn't found for 10 days imo.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #222 on: January 07, 2020, 05:54:59 PM »
I wonder why the tracker dogs were so completely useless at tracking her down. 
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Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #223 on: January 07, 2020, 05:57:36 PM »
I wonder why the tracker dogs were so completely useless at tracking her down.

Maybe the abductor masked her scent somehow.

Or it could just be that tracker dogs aren't 100% effective, particularly in such a dense & scent rich environment.

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Irish teen Nóra Quoirin (15) disappears while on holiday in Malaysia.
« Reply #224 on: January 07, 2020, 06:09:05 PM »
Maybe the abductor masked her scent somehow.

Or it could just be that tracker dogs aren't 100% effective, particularly in such a dense & scent rich environment.
Why is a jungle more scent rich than a city or a forest?
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