Fingerprints

[Holly Goodhead]

I can't find an existing thread for the above so here's a new one.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm

The only mention of fingerprints in KM's book is on page 102 where she states people had been in and out of the room (where the twins were still sleeping) for the last 3 hours when a young officer entered with a brush and pair of latex gloves.  So on this basis I guess it was around 1 am - 2 am 4th May. 

She goes on to say the young officer also took fingerprint samples from herself and GM but it seems they were unsuccessful as they had to repeat the same exercise the following day at the police station.

[G-Unit]

I think Kate was making assumptions; it may have been that the fingerprints taken the night before hadn't yet reached the investigators.

[Holly Goodhead]

I think Kate was making assumptions; it may have been that the fingerprints taken the night before hadn't yet reached the investigators.

You mean an assumption re the first round being unsuccessful on the basis they were repeated the following day at the police station?

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm not able to move posts so I've linked recent posts re fingerprints here:

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg555973#msg555973

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg555983#msg555983

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg555984#msg555984

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg555986#msg555986

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg555988#msg555988

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg555991#msg555991

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg555994#msg555994

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg555998#msg555998

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg555999#msg555999

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg556004#msg556004

[Holly Goodhead]

Re the following post:

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg556004#msg556004

I need to read carefully the fingerprint report but a quick skim and I'm seeing 1 unidentified fingerprint on the side of the patio door which according to Interpol Wiesbaden does not match any within the database.   Does this database cover all of Germany or other countries too?  According to IP Wiesbaden the fingerprint could originate from a woman or youth but not a child.  So I guess they're ruling out a man based on size. 

If I'm reading the doc correctly it appears GA called time on this aspect of the investigation by attributing the fingerprint to one of his officers:  Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa of the Lagos GNR.  I thought IP Wiesbaden said the fingerprint originated from a woman or youth not a child so how can it have originated from male GNR officer: Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa? 

Its usual for all those working in the criminal justice system ie police officers, forensic scientists etc to submit fingerprints, dna etc so they can be eliminated from innocent contamination.  Why would PJ send letters to various other countries seeking the fingerprint on databases before eliminating innocent contamination from officers present at soc?

[The General]

I can't find an existing thread for the above so here's a new one.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm

The only mention of fingerprints in KM's book is on page 102 where she states people had been in and out of the room (where the twins were still sleeping) for the last 3 hours when a young officer entered with a brush and pair of latex gloves.  So on this basis I guess it was around 1 am - 2 am 4th May. 

She goes on to say the young officer also took fingerprint samples from herself and GM but it seems they were unsuccessful as they had to repeat the same exercise the following day at the police station.

I think there's more than a hint of sarcasm in the 2nd sentence; an embellishment of the Keystone cops routine.

[G-Unit]

You mean an assumption re the first round being unsuccessful on the basis they were repeated the following day at the police station?

Yes.

[G-Unit]

Re the following post:

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg556004#msg556004

I need to read carefully the fingerprint report but a quick skim and I'm seeing 1 unidentified fingerprint on the side of the patio door which according to Interpol Wiesbaden does not match any within the database.   Does this database cover all of Germany or other countries too?  According to IP Wiesbaden the fingerprint could originate from a woman or youth but not a child.  So I guess they're ruling out a man based on size. 

If I'm reading the doc correctly it appears GA called time on this aspect of the investigation by attributing the fingerprint to one of his officers:  Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa of the Lagos GNR.  I thought IP Wiesbaden said the fingerprint originated from a woman or youth not a child so how can it have originated from male GNR officer: Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa? 

Its usual for all those working in the criminal justice system ie police officers, forensic scientists etc to submit fingerprints, dna etc so they can be eliminated from innocent contamination.  Why would PJ send letters to various other countries seeking the fingerprint on databases before eliminating innocent contamination from officers present at soc?

There was a lot going on the day after the disappearance. The scene of crime technicians arrived from Lisbon and it was them who sent their findings to 'all' Interpol offices, not the PJ. Whether that was normal practice or it was done because a child was missing I don't know. In the interest of speed it's to be commended; the print(s) may have belonged to a known criminal.

[G-Unit]

According to Amaral's book Kate's 5 fingerprints from the middle and index fingers of her left hand were found on the glass, the handle and the right hand frame of the children's bedroom window. (page 80)

I can think of no reason why Kate would have touched the handle because it would have been behind the left hand curtains if the window was fully opened. It also raises the question of how Gerry shut the window without smudging her print on the handle.

[Anthro]

 “Tests detected DNA corresponding to 6 people in the bedroom. 5 Were linked to the McCann family, the other one was not Murat’s or anybody else’s in the database of hotel staff, police etc. The PJ came to the conclusion that there was a stranger in Madeleine’s room”. (Source: deleted Express article, 2 June 2007).

[G-Unit]

“Tests detected DNA corresponding to 6 people in the bedroom. 5 Were linked to the McCann family, the other one was not Murat’s or anybody else’s in the database of hotel staff, police etc. The PJ came to the conclusion that there was a stranger in Madeleine’s room”. (Source: deleted Express article, 2 June 2007).

That was a load of rubbish, wasn't it? No DNA was collected in 5A afaik. The full article has been saved here;
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/2jun7/Express-02-06-07.htm

[Mr Gray]

That was a load of rubbish, wasn't it? No DNA was collected in 5A afaik. The full article has been saved here;
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/2jun7/Express-02-06-07.htm

The article YOU quoted says..



But a source at the Instituto Nacional de Medicina Legal laboratory in Coimbra said: “It is an important step in the investigation but the truth is that the DNA cannot be matched with any records. The evidence is very vague.

So they confirm dna was found

[G-Unit]

The article YOU quoted says..



But a source at the Instituto Nacional de  Medicina Legal laboratory in Coimbra said: “It is an important step in the investigation but the truth is that the DNA cannot be matched with any records. The evidence is very vague.

So they confirm dna was found

I provided a link to the article which another member said had been deleted. In my opinion the article is merely rumour. As far as I know the only Instituto Nacional de Medicina Legal laboratory used was the one in Lisbon.

[Brietta]

According to Amaral's book Kate's 5 fingerprints from the middle and index fingers of her left hand were found on the glass, the handle and the right hand frame of the children's bedroom window. (page 80)

I can think of no reason why Kate would have touched the handle because it would have been behind the left hand curtains if the window was fully opened. It also raises the question of how Gerry shut the window without smudging her print on the handle.

You are quoting an inaccuracy from Amaral's book which is misleading. 
Kate left no fingerprints on the handle or on the frame of the window.  The only fingerprints left were on the window glass and were commensurate with her leaning out ... not opening ... the window.

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VESTIGES COLLECTED

5….. Fingerprints….Inside interior window of the children’s bedroom…..DBT…..Suf

1. Methodology and means of operation:

2. Established number of supposed authors:

3. Abandoned objects:

4. Objects or values that were the target of the crime:

5. Importance of the damage incurred:

Observations: The fingerprint traces collected are identified as being the middle finger of the left hand (3x) and forefinger of the left hand (2x), of the missing girl’s mother,

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm


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The 5 KM prints were all located on the
"Lado interior do vidro da janela"
"Interior surface of the glass of the window"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_884a.jpg

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg259170#msg259170

[Mr Gray]

I provided a link to the article which another member said had been deleted. In my opinion the article is merely rumour. As far as I know the only Instituto Nacional de Medicina Legal laboratory used was the one in Lisbon.

It has, a direct quote referring to a dna sample... To say no dna sample exists is therefore opinion.. Not fact