Fingerprints

[ShiningInLuz]

Afaik in the UK all serving police officers supply fingerprints and dna which are entered onto an elimination database. 

7. MANAGEMENT OF PERSONNEL WHO POSE RISK OF CONTAMINATION
7.1 Police personnel
7.1.1 The risk of DNA contamination from police personnel has long been recognised
and a Police Elimination Database (PED) has been in existence since 2000.
From April 1, 2003 there has been a requirement for all new recruits to provide
a DNA sample for inclusion on the PED and since October 2012, for new recruit
profiles to be compared against the National DNA Database® (NDNAD) on a
one-off basis as part of the vetting procedure.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/355995/DNAcontaminationDetection.pdf

If PJ did not check for innocent contamination before farming out requests all over the world this doesn't really fill one with much confidence!

Portugal doesn't operate like the UK, so this is totally irrelevant.

[Holly Goodhead]

Indeed, but Portugal didn't have such a database in 2007.

Didn't they?

Did they fess up to the other countries contacted and apologise for wasting time and resources?

[Eleanor]

Its just basic stuff and in this regard shows the PJ, at best, incompetent fools and at worst up to some wrongdoing.

Up to some wrong doing is my guess.

[Eleanor]

Indeed, but Portugal didn't have such a database in 2007.

Why not?  Third World Country?

[jassi]

Far quicker to shove the fingerprint through a police elimination database than seek assistance from countries all over the world.

Police look for a finger print match against a known person.
You can only eliminate someone if you know their identity in the first place.

[G-Unit]

Its just basic stuff and in this regard shows the PJ, at best, incompetent fools and at worst up to some wrongdoing.

Privacy is very important in Portugal;

In 2005 the incoming Portuguese government proposed to introduce a DNA database of the entire population of Portugal.[54] However, after informed debate including opinion from the Portuguese Ethics Council[55] the database introduced was of just the criminal population.[56]

Unlike the UK, which has been criticised by the ECHR for breaching people's rights;

In a judgement in December 2008, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that two British men should not have had their DNA and fingerprints retained by police saying that retention "could not be regarded as necessary in a democratic society".[89]

The DNA fingerprinting pioneer Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys condemned UK government plans to keep the genetic details of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in England and Wales for up to 12 years. Jeffreys said he was "disappointed" with the proposals, which came after a European court ruled that the current policy breaches people's right to privacy. Jefferys said "It seems to be as about as minimal a response to the European court of human rights judgment as one could conceive. There is a presumption not of innocence but of future guilt here … which I find very disturbing indeed".[90]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_database#Forensic

[Eleanor]

Privacy is very important in Portugal;

In 2005 the incoming Portuguese government proposed to introduce a DNA database of the entire population of Portugal.[54] However, after informed debate including opinion from the Portuguese Ethics Council[55] the database introduced was of just the criminal population.[56]

Unlike the UK, which has been criticised by the ECHR for breaching people's rights;

In a judgement in December 2008, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that two British men should not have had their DNA and fingerprints retained by police saying that retention "could not be regarded as necessary in a democratic society".[89]

The DNA fingerprinting pioneer Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys condemned UK government plans to keep the genetic details of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in England and Wales for up to 12 years. Jeffreys said he was "disappointed" with the proposals, which came after a European court ruled that the current policy breaches people's right to privacy. Jefferys said "It seems to be as about as minimal a response to the European court of human rights judgment as one could conceive. There is a presumption not of innocence but of future guilt here … which I find very disturbing indeed".[90]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_database#Forensic

What about the rights of The McCanns to Privacy?

[Holly Goodhead]

Police look for a finger print match against a known person.
You can only eliminate someone if you know their identity in the first place.

I was talking about all serving officers being on an elimination database to mind against the sort of thing that some claim happened here.

[Holly Goodhead]

Privacy is very important in Portugal;

In 2005 the incoming Portuguese government proposed to introduce a DNA database of the entire population of Portugal.[54] However, after informed debate including opinion from the Portuguese Ethics Council[55] the database introduced was of just the criminal population.[56]

Unlike the UK, which has been criticised by the ECHR for breaching people's rights;

In a judgement in December 2008, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that two British men should not have had their DNA and fingerprints retained by police saying that retention "could not be regarded as necessary in a democratic society".[89]

The DNA fingerprinting pioneer Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys condemned UK government plans to keep the genetic details of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in England and Wales for up to 12 years. Jeffreys said he was "disappointed" with the proposals, which came after a European court ruled that the current policy breaches people's right to privacy. Jefferys said "It seems to be as about as minimal a response to the European court of human rights judgment as one could conceive. There is a presumption not of innocence but of future guilt here … which I find very disturbing indeed".[90]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_database#Forensic

But that's nothing to do with personnel submitting their fingerprints/dna to be placed on an elimination database.  Afaik it happens in UK with people right across the chain from those who manufacture products used in forensic analysis to those who actually analyse collections and all those in between eg serving police officers.   

[Holly Goodhead]

Portugal doesn't operate like the UK, so this is totally irrelevant.

How does it operate in this regard then? 

[G-Unit]

What about the rights of The McCanns to Privacy?

Everyone who gave DNA and fingerprints to the PJ signed a consent form.

[Eleanor]

Everyone who gave DNA and fingerprints to the PJ signed a consent form.

I wasn't referring to that.

[ShiningInLuz]

How does it operate in this regard then?

Look at the PJ Files.  They had to get explicit consent from everyone providing a DNA sample, including police officers.

[Holly Goodhead]

Look at the PJ Files.  They had to get explicit consent from everyone providing a DNA sample, including police officers.

But what about fingerprints?  The PJ found an unidentified fingerprint on the side of the patio door.  It sent requests to various countries seeking assistance.  No matches were found but Germany said it could have originated from a woman or youth but not a child.  PJ concluded after all it originated from a male officer which seems at odds with Germany saying it originated from a woman or youth.  In any event you would think PJ would operate an elimination database for serving police officers?

Collecting fingerprints from soc would be routine everyday stuff.  How much time and money must PJ waste if they go all over the world looking for answers only to eventually conclude that its one of their own officers/innocent contamination!

[jassi]

But what about fingerprints?  The PJ found an unidentified fingerprint on the side of the patio door.  It sent requests to various countries seeking assistance.  No matches were found but Germany said it could have originated from a woman or youth but not a child.  PJ concluded after all it originated from a male officer which seems at odds with Germany saying it originated from a woman or youth.  In any event you would think PJ would operate an elimination database for serving police officers?

Collecting fingerprints from soc would be routine everyday stuff. How much time and money must PJ waste if they go all over the world looking for answers only to eventually conclude that its one of their own officers/innocent contamination!

Why worry?  Its not as if they sent you the bill.