Fingerprints

[Holly Goodhead]

They don't have a database as, such

Don't they?

[Mr Gray]

Don't they?

No... It's considered an invasion of privacy it seems... And also non existent CCTV

[Robittybob1]

No... It's considered an invasion of privacy it seems... And also non existent CCTV

Cite please for the claim that Portugal doesn't have a fingerprint database.

[Mr Gray]

I assume PJ did check its own database but a match wasn't found hence it reached out to others.

Cite for Portugal having a dna database please

[Mr Gray]

Cite please for the claim that Portugal doesn't have a fingerprint database.

Do you read the posts on this forum... It's been discussed many many times and is an established fact.  If you wish to remove a post containing a very important fact please remove hollys claim that it does to. Sil has posted the details many times... As has gunit

[Holly Goodhead]

Cite for Portugal having a dna database please

DNA and fingerprints are very different animals.

[Holly Goodhead]

Portugal has been a member of Interpol since 1956:

https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Member-countries/Europe/PORTUGAL

[Holly Goodhead]

No... It's considered an invasion of privacy it seems... And also non existent CCTV

I thought in the early days it was claimed MM was seen on cctv in a petrol station(s) within Algarve? 

[Holly Goodhead]

I thought in the early days it was claimed MM was seen on cctv in a petrol station(s) within Algarve?

I've no idea how reliable the following is but if its accurate it shows cctv was used at the time of MM's disappearance.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cctv-madeleine-mccann-snatcher-deleted-2467839

[jassi]

I thought in the early days it was claimed MM was seen on cctv in a petrol station(s) within Algarve?

The camera(s) were pointed inside the petrol station area, which is permitted

[Holly Goodhead]

The camera(s) were pointed inside the petrol station area, which is permitted

I doubt cctv was not used in public places at the time of MM's disappearance.  I guess it might depend on the definition of public places ie funded by government or private finance initiatives:

https://www.worldhighways.com/sections/eurofile/features/major-highway-growth-in-portugal/

Outlining the efforts relating with the furthering of technology usage in road operations by Brisa - as a example of what Portugal has been able to perform in recent years - namely around the company's innovative control centre, he said it controls Brisa's entire network using 550 CCTV cameras, 200 variable message signs, 40 weather stations, 1000 call boxes and 90 road assistance vehicles (indeed, there are 15,000 devices permanently active 24x7), from a single site.

The above was published in 2010.

Portugal became a member of EU in 1986 so will to some extent have to abide by EU rules, regs and laws. 

[Mr Gray]

DNA and fingerprints are very different animals.

I was thinking  dna but the same thinking would apply to fingerprints... So does Portugal have a, fingerprint database..

[Holly Goodhead]

I was thinking  dna but the same thinking would apply to fingerprints... So does Portugal have a, fingerprint database..

Why would the same thinking apply to fingerprints.  As I said they are completely different animals.  A fingerprint based on the methods used in the PJ files is a fingerprint period.  DNA can be used in countless ways eg sold to health care providers allowing them to refuse insurance based on a genetic propensity towards certain illnesses etc.

[G-Unit]

The creation of a national DNA database was approved in 2008 by law 5/2008. It doesn't seem to have been widely used, however. In addition;

The Portuguese criminal investigation police have files that contain fingerprints collected from suspects and convicted individuals, as well as biological samples and DNA profiles, but this information has not yet been legalized. There are no official numbers about the size, sort of data or any other details about police databases.
http://dnapolicyinitiative.org/genewatch-forensic-dna/arguido-or-no-the-portuguese-dna-database/

[ShiningInLuz]

I was thinking  dna but the same thinking would apply to fingerprints... So does Portugal have a, fingerprint database..

There is no point in trying to find out as it matters not a jot.

Portugal definitely did not have a fingerprint database that routinely included the fingerprints of police officers.  The officers on the case had to have their fingerprints taken before those samples could be compared against the fingerprint on the patio door, as proved by Irene Trovão's statement.

Quite why this thread is hacking over this point when the facts are crystal clear is beyond me.