Was there really no evidence of an abduction?

[sadie]

Both of you must be crackers! 

Well Scotland Yard showed my folder on the special Madeleine Crimewatch program, so I dunno about that !   


Gotta go.  Soz

[Holly Goodhead]

I have always believed that Amaral seriously needed Kate McCann to be responsible as this would have proved his point in The Cipriano Case, so falsifying anything would have been nothing much to write home about.
He actually needed an associate of The McCanns to be involved as he knew that they could not have done this alone.

That's a good point.  What's the general consensus here regarding the Cirpriano case?  Mother/uncle as charged?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Both of you must be crackers! 

Interesting to note that moderators are allowed to make ad hominem comments.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That's a good point.  What's the general consensus here regarding the Cirpriano case?  Mother/uncle as charged?

Sceptics don’t like us airing our views on this part of the forum.

[Holly Goodhead]

Interesting to note that moderators are allowed to make ad hominem comments.

Context is everything!  I think it was said in a lighthearted way in that Sadie and I both said we think we've cracked the case ie both crackers!  Or maybe Myster thinks we're crackers as in top totty! 

[barrier]

Sceptics don’t like us airing our views on this part of the forum.

Does it have a direct bearing on the disappearance of Madeleine? but why not mention it,the forums dead now so why not let anything go.

[Holly Goodhead]

Sceptics don’t like us airing our views on this part of the forum.

Well its not the right thread so I'll find the right one and then providing your views don't break any forum rules I would urge you to go for it! 

[barrier]

Well as one of them said, they're not providing a running commentary so in reality we have no real idea what they're up to!

Do you think with the £12 million spent OG haven't got past an unidentified finger print.

[Myster]

Interesting to note that moderators are allowed to make ad hominem comments.

Goodness me!... You aren't half a sourpuss, whether it's this or your endless Brexit sour grapes.  You need to lighten up.

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you think with the £12 million spent OG haven't got past an unidentified finger print.

As far as the files are concerned it's not unidentified.  It was effectively signed off as originating from GNR officer Nelson Flipe Pacheco da Costa.  Afaik OG are investigating the disappearance of MM not whether GA falsified any documents.  I think its something that OG could quite easily overlook. 

[barrier]

As far as the files are concerned it's not unidentified.  It was effectively signed off as originating from GNR officer Nelson Flipe Pacheco da Costa.  Afaik OG are investigating the disappearance of MM not whether GA falsified any documents.  I think its something that OG could quite easily overlook.

Not in their remit to investigate another police force,bit libellous isn't it to suggest Amaral might have falsified some documents,is that a right standard to set?

OG are to investigate as if the abduction took place in the uk.Set their stall right from the start and have no exit strategy.
Back to the title,what evidence is there that any one other than the McCann or their friends entered 5a leading up to the reported disappearance at circa 10pm on 3/05/2007.
An unidentified finger print is just that,certainly not evidence of an abduction,so what is?

[Brietta]

Not in their remit to investigate another police force,bit libellous isn't it to suggest Amaral might have falsified some documents,is that a right standard to set?

OG are to investigate as if the abduction took place in the uk.Set their stall right from the start and have no exit strategy.
Back to the title,what evidence is there that any one other than the McCann or their friends entered 5a leading up to the reported disappearance at circa 10pm on 3/05/2007.
An unidentified finger print is just that,certainly not evidence of an abduction,so what is?

There is no suggestion about it.  Amaral was found guilty of falsifying documents in an investigation and as a result was convicted of perjury.

[Holly Goodhead]

Not in their remit to investigate another police force,bit libellous isn't it to suggest Amaral might have falsified some documents,is that a right standard to set?

The unidentified fingerprint in this case raises more questions than answers and needs reviewing imo.  I have not accused anyone of anything but the unidentified fingerprint and the authenticity of the paperwork surrounding it as I said imo needs reviewing.  With regard to GA he was found guilty in a court of law of falsifying paperwork in the case of Joana Cipriano ie he has history of such.  I doubt he would have kept his job in the UK. 

OG are to investigate as if the abduction took place in the uk.Set their stall right from the start and have no exit strategy.
Back to the title,what evidence is there that any one other than the McCann or their friends entered 5a leading up to the reported disappearance at circa 10pm on 3/05/2007.
An unidentified finger print is just that,certainly not evidence of an abduction,so what is?

barrier the patio door was left unsecured on the night of MM's disappearance.  I've always said from the off imo it is absolutely key to the case.  Now we discover an unidentified fingerprint was indeed found on the side of the patio door and all that surrounds it in terms of GNR wit stats, comment from fingerprint analyst in Germany, and communication between fingerprint analyst in Portugal and GA is all highly, highly suspicious. 

[Holly Goodhead]

There is no suggestion about it.  Amaral was found guilty of falsifying documents in an investigation and as a result was convicted of perjury.

Beggars belief that he was able to keep his job.

[Eleanor]

Beggars belief that he was able to keep his job.

It beggars belief that he was put in charge of this case in the first place.  He gave up his forth owing and forth coming holiday to volunteer you know.