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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Global warming
« on: September 23, 2019, 07:36:51 PM »
The word mental within the word enviromentalist is quite an appropriate  use to describe some of the zealots after the recent 'global warming' marches by children.

The mental health of many young people in our country is indeed on the increase and it should cause alarm. but not for some. They cash in on young peoples anxieties use and abuse them by armig them with stories about the end of the world catastrophy just a few years away.

The Truth is this is not going to happen!

The dodgy science behind the scare mongering is staggering, and wholy inadequate. However, if you dare to challenge  these 'facts' you are shut down like a war criminal called a 'denier' the truth is they are in denial and they do not have the stomach for debate because their argument does not hold up to scrutiny. it is now an 'industry' all on its very own.

The nausiating new born (another one born in bethlehem?) to this zealot religion would be a child god called  Greta thunberg. She has a world platform to shout off about losing her childhood- (dear it was stolen from you by those who scare you with cr@p).

A world stage?  did she give us any indiction how this came about and how to stop the climate from changing as it has done since time began Duh- and was she able to provide her own scientific research over many years and present it as an expert in many fields of study regarding climate/enviromental/and geology etc.

No just a screaching, self centered, self proclaimed know it all teenager aka new media darling.

Some thought it rude that some world leaders didn't attend  to hear her -aw shucks.

I would claim to be enviromentally friendly- recycling for many years-I am very concience of the damage to our oceans regarding dunping ribbish and I confess to being really annoyed about plastic bags being used and chucked and the illegal dumping of waste. I care about my community. But the global warming ticket is just that! It is no secret that vegan warriers are also influencing childrens eating habits with an increase in eting disorders. The green party and friends of the earth are community activists with an agenda of which we know little about.

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/greta-thunberg-united-nations-climate-change-speech-today-world-leaders-a9117031.html

'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2019, 11:03:05 PM »
“The mental health of many young people in this country is on the increase”.  Erm...

This OP is so full of meaningless drivel it’s hard to know where to start.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2019, 01:09:07 PM »
Let's hear from someone who can string a meaningful sentence together:

Greta Thunberg

2 February ·

Recently I’ve seen many rumors circulating about me and enormous amounts of hate. This is no surprise to me. I know that since most people are not aware of the full meaning of the climate crisis (which is understandable since it has never been treated as a crisis) a school strike for the climate would seem very strange to people in general.
So let me make some things clear about my school strike.

In may 2018 I was one of the winners in a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. I got my article published and some people contacted me, among others was Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland. He had some kind of group with people, especially youth, who wanted to do something about the climate crisis.
I had a few phone meetings with other activists. The purpose was to come up with ideas of new projects that would bring attention to the climate crisis. Bo had a few ideas of things we could do. Everything from marches to a loose idea of some kind of a school strike (that school children would do something on the schoolyards or in the classrooms). That idea was inspired by the Parkland Students, who had refused to go to school after the school shootings.
I liked the idea of a school strike. So I developed that idea and tried to get the other young people to join me, but no one was really interested. They thought that a Swedish version of the Zero Hour march was going to have a bigger impact. So I went on planning the school strike all by myself and after that I didn’t participate in any more meetings.

When I told my parents about my plans they weren’t very fond of it. They did not support the idea of school striking and they said that if I were to do this I would have to do it completely by myself and with no support from them.
On the 20 of august I sat down outside the Swedish Parliament. I handed out fliers with a long list of facts about the climate crisis and explanations on why I was striking. The first thing I did was to post on Twitter and Instagram what I was doing and it soon went viral. Then journalists and newspapers started to come. A Swedish entrepreneur and business man active in the climate movement, Ingmar Rentzhog, was among the first to arrive. He spoke with me and took pictures that he posted on Facebook. That was the first time I had ever met or spoken with him. I had not communicated or encountered with him ever before.

Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people ”behind me” or that I’m being ”paid” or ”used” to do what I’m doing. But there is no one ”behind” me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.
I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.
And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd.
Furthermore I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations.

My family has written a book together about our family and how me and my sister Beata have influenced my parents way of thinking and seeing the world, especially when it comes to the climate. And about our diagnoses.
That book was due to be released in May. But since there was a major disagreement with the book company, we ended up changing to a new publisher and so the book was released in august instead.
Before the book was released my parents made it clear that their possible profits from the book ”Scener ur hjärtat” will be going to 8 different charities working with environment, children with diagnoses and animal rights.

And yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that I don’t spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood.

Some people mock me for my diagnosis. But Asperger is not a disease, it’s a gift. People also say that since I have Asperger I couldn’t possibly have put myself in this position. But that’s exactly why I did this. Because if I would have been ”normal” and social I would have organized myself in an organisation, or started an organisation by myself. But since I am not that good at socializing I did this instead. I was so frustrated that nothing was being done about the climate crisis and I felt like I had to do something, anything. And sometimes NOT doing things - like just sitting down outside the parliament - speaks much louder than doing things. Just like a whisper sometimes is louder than shouting.

Also there is one complaint that I ”sound and write like an adult”. And to that I can only say; don’t you think that a 16-year old can speak for herself? There’s also some people who say that I oversimplify things. For example when I say that "the climate crisis is a black and white issue”, ”we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases” and ”I want you to panic”. But that I only say because it’s true. Yes, the climate crisis is the most complex issue that we have ever faced and it’s going to take everything from our part to ”stop it”. But the solution is black and white; we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases.
Because either we limit the warming to 1,5 degrees C over pre industrial levels, or we don’t. Either we reach a tipping point where we start a chain reaction with events way beyond human control, or we don’t. Either we go on as a civilization, or we don’t. There are no gray areas when it comes to survival.
And when I say that I want you to panic I mean that we need to treat the crisis as a crisis. When your house is on fire you don’t sit down and talk about how nice you can rebuild it once you put out the fire. If your house is on fire you run outside and make sure that everyone is out while you call the fire department. That requires some level of panic.

There is one other argument that I can’t do anything about. And that is the fact that I’m ”just a child and we shouldn’t be listening to children.” But that is easily fixed - just start to listen to the rock solid science instead. Because if everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to - then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school.
I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, I’m too young to do this. We children shouldn’t have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue.


And if you have any other concern or doubt about me, then you can listen to my TED talk ( https://www.ted.com/…/greta_thunberg_the_disarming_…/up-next ), in which I talk about how my interest for the climate and environment began.

And thank you everyone for you kind support! It brings me hope.
/Greta
Ps I was briefly a youth advisor for the board of the non profit foundation “We don’t have time”. It turns out they used my name as part of another branch of their organisation that is a start up business. They have admitted clearly that they did so without the knowledge of me or my family. I no longer have any connection to “We don’t have time”. Nor has anyone in my family. They have deeply apologised and I have accepted their apology.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Global warming
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2019, 01:27:09 PM »

IMO Overpopulation is a major factor that is often overlooked  in the rise of Co2 emissions.
If the climate striking children were all shot on sight, that would go some way to solving the problem.
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2019, 01:28:31 PM »
IMO Overpopulation is a major factor that is often overlooked  in the rise of Co2 emissions.
If the climate striking children were all shot on sight, that would go some way to solving the problem.
Or you could shoot yourself and that would be a good start.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Global warming
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2019, 01:36:06 PM »
Or you could shoot yourself and that would be a good start.

I do all my recycling, don't have any kids & I drive a Toyota Prius. I'm doing my bit for the planet.

But seriously, no one wants to mention overpopulation as the main contributing factor in climate change.
A mass extinction event, either through war, gas chambers or by a huge meteor impacting the earth, should be celebrated.
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Global warming
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2019, 01:38:04 PM »

Overpopulation, Doug Stanhope.

Try Sodomy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgyumGSF9-4
« Last Edit: September 25, 2019, 01:41:16 PM by Wonderfulspam »
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2019, 01:39:08 PM »
I do all my recycling, don't have any kids & I drive a Toyota Prius. I'm doing my bit for the planet.

But seriously, no one wants to mention overpopulation as the main contributing factor in climate change.
A mass extinction event, either through war, gas chambers or by a huge meteor impacting the earth, should be celebrated.
What a contradictory position.  If you positively welcome mass extinction then why the hell are you recycling and driving a Prius?  Switch to a 1950’s Cadillac and burn all your plastic rubbish in the back garden asap. 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Baz

Re: Global warming
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2019, 05:00:41 PM »
was she able to provide her own scientific research over many years and present it as an expert in many fields of study regarding climate/enviromental/and geology etc.

No just a screaching, self centered, self proclaimed know it all teenager aka new media darling.


Are you able to provide your own scientific research? Otherwise you sound like "a screaching, self centered, self proclaimed know it all".

I don't claim to be an expert in these things but from everything I have ever read the proof that climate change is dramatically increased by our ways of life is undeniable.

Here's some reading for you to do if you fancy educating yourself:

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

As for Greta, well it seems amazing to me that so many people can be so horrible about a child who, let's face it, has achieved more of significance in her 16 years than most of us will ever do. And just through the strength of her convictions. History is going to write of Greta as a heroic figure, and rightly so. One day people are going to look back and see that 97% of scientists agreed that action was needed but the action was constantly impeded by idiots who think they knew better. Greta is on the right side of history.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2019, 05:04:26 PM by Baz »

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Global warming
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2019, 10:30:58 AM »
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Global warming
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2019, 11:50:49 AM »
Are you able to provide your own scientific research? Otherwise you sound like "a screaching, self centered, self proclaimed know it all".

I don't claim to be an expert in these things but from everything I have ever read the proof that climate change is dramatically increased by our ways of life is undeniable.

Here's some reading for you to do if you fancy educating yourself:

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

As for Greta, well it seems amazing to me that so many people can be so horrible about a child who, let's face it, has achieved more of significance in her 16 years than most of us will ever do. And just through the strength of her convictions. History is going to write of Greta as a heroic figure, and rightly so. One day people are going to look back and see that 97% of scientists agreed that action was needed but the action was constantly impeded by idiots who think they knew better. Greta is on the right side of history.


I think I know a wee bit more about the world and the climate science than Greta. I do not need to prsent my science I am not the one shoutong and foaming at the mouth about something I have no control over. the money spinner!

So good on you for loving the great Greta, however apart from her bellowing her anxiety, placed upon her by fear mongers and policital activists, and bitching at 'world leaders' did she offer a solution? or present her science? NO!
Why? well because she doesn't have any... SHE  is just a mouth peice with empty emotional words. The hysteria surrounding this 'crisis' she claims is  staggering .

Where as the real scientist know a wee bit more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbGZo8D5gnI

Oh And...
Agriculture yields are up- https://ourworldindata.org/yields-and-land-use-in-agriculture#yields-since-1960.

 Poverty has decreased- https://ourworldindata.org/a-history-of-global-living-conditions-in-5-charts.
Life expectancy has increased- https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy.

 Deaths from weather related disasters have declined- https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/natural-disaster-death-rates?time=1900..2018.

 oh and the planet and deserts are greening from the increase in CO2-
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth/


Go on Greta tell BAZ a real fan of yours, like it is...



'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Global warming
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2019, 11:53:03 AM »
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Venturi Swirl

"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2019, 06:17:46 PM »
Oh dear! off script not so good eh?  The bluff has been called!
Taking the piss out of a 16 year old girl with Aspergers because she was momentarily overwhelmed in a press conference?  Not an attractive quality IMO.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2019, 06:21:01 PM »

I think I know a wee bit more about the world and the climate science than Greta. I do not need to prsent my science I am not the one shoutong and foaming at the mouth about something I have no control over. the money spinner!

So good on you for loving the great Greta, however apart from her bellowing her anxiety, placed upon her by fear mongers and policital activists, and bitching at 'world leaders' did she offer a solution? or present her science? NO!
Why? well because she doesn't have any... SHE  is just a mouth peice with empty emotional words. The hysteria surrounding this 'crisis' she claims is  staggering .

Where as the real scientist know a wee bit more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbGZo8D5gnI

Oh And...
Agriculture yields are up- https://ourworldindata.org/yields-and-land-use-in-agriculture#yields-since-1960.

 Poverty has decreased- https://ourworldindata.org/a-history-of-global-living-conditions-in-5-charts.
Life expectancy has increased- https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy.

 Deaths from weather related disasters have declined- https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/natural-disaster-death-rates?time=1900..2018.

 oh and the planet and deserts are greening from the increase in CO2-
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth/


Go on Greta tell BAZ a real fan of yours, like it is...
From one of the websites you quoted, you seem to have missed this graph
https://ourworldindata.org/natural-disasters
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly