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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #135 on: April 05, 2020, 10:05:00 PM »
No it is not gone at all. That is the point. Some will go, but plants and trees- bushes re grow- ecology!

I have plants which die in the winter but come back with more fruits and flowers than the previous years - infact sometimes we shave back brutally to make for newer fresh roots and bigger plants. Even in desert areas plants grow!

oh and plenty Co2 and sun rays to make em grow bigger and better!
Those plants haven’t died.  They haven’t been chopped down or been burned to the ground.  They are deciduous and may look dead when all the leaves fall off in Autumn but the are still alive.  Try burning one to the ground and see how many fruits and flowers they bear next year.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Global warming
« Reply #136 on: April 06, 2020, 05:05:17 PM »
Those plants haven’t died.  They haven’t been chopped down or been burned to the ground.  They are deciduous and may look dead when all the leaves fall off in Autumn but the are still alive.  Try burning one to the ground and see how many fruits and flowers they bear next year.


Are you seriously saying the logging isn't the only thing but companies are also burning these forests?  I need a cite and evidence for that.

However, ecology is a great way to actually study our planet and how it heals itself.

Australian (AND OTHER COUNTRIES)bush fires have been happening for many centuries ask the aborigines! They know that land and its ecological history better than you and Greta and her mob who have lived on the planet for less than 100 years!  ppft
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #137 on: April 06, 2020, 05:27:01 PM »

Are you seriously saying the logging isn't the only thing but companies are also burning these forests?  I need a cite and evidence for that.

However, ecology is a great way to actually study our planet and how it heals itself.

Australian (AND OTHER COUNTRIES)bush fires have been happening for many centuries ask the aborigines! They know that land and its ecological history better than you and Greta and her mob who have lived on the planet for less than 100 years!  ppft
If you wish to carry on with this discussion in an adult manner I would ask that you stop lumping me in with “Greta and her mob” and dismissing me with silly exclamations and telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about.  If you’re cool to continue on that basis I will address the rest of your post..
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Global warming
« Reply #138 on: April 06, 2020, 06:16:09 PM »
If you wish to carry on with this discussion in an adult manner I would ask that you stop lumping me in with “Greta and her mob” and dismissing me with silly exclamations and telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about.  If you’re cool to continue on that basis I will address the rest of your post..

Firstly My post is NOT childish.

I did not lob you in with Greta and her mob in that post. It is clear you are both separate in that sentence with the word and.. "  better than you and Greta and her mob who have lived on the planet for less than 100 years!"

The point being- taking snippets of information over a short period of time does not equate to gathering new evidence regarding the planet's behavior.

Re Australia, white people have only been in that continent less than just over one century- screaming about global warming causing bush fires is pathetic and dishonest. Some fires were caused deliberately by pyromaniacs and some by the scorching heat which has always been in Australia for centuries. My sister has an Aborigine as a neighbour- He said the problems about bush fires were written about and known bout before the 'whities' came to our land- his word not mine.

'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Global warming
« Reply #139 on: April 06, 2020, 06:38:14 PM »
Firstly My post is NOT childish.

I did not lob you in with Greta and her mob in that post. It is clear you are both separate in that sentence with the word and.. "  better than you and Greta and her mob who have lived on the planet for less than 100 years!"

The point being- taking snippets of information over a short period of time does not equate to gathering new evidence regarding the planet's behavior.

Re Australia, white people have only been in that continent less than just over one century- screaming about global warming causing bush fires is pathetic and dishonest. Some fires were caused deliberately by pyromaniacs and some by the scorching heat which has always been in Australia for centuries. My sister has an Aborigine as a neighbour- He said the problems about bush fires were written about and known bout before the 'whities' came to our land- his word not mine.

If you actually understood anything you would understand that climate science uses data going back hundreds of thousands of years. Do you have any scientific support for your calim that global warming is not man made...not your opinion but something of substance

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #140 on: April 06, 2020, 06:39:08 PM »
Firstly My post is NOT childish.

I did not lob you in with Greta and her mob in that post. It is clear you are both separate in that sentence with the word and.. "  better than you and Greta and her mob who have lived on the planet for less than 100 years!"

The point being- taking snippets of information over a short period of time does not equate to gathering new evidence regarding the planet's behavior.

Re Australia, white people have only been in that continent less than just over one century- screaming about global warming causing bush fires is pathetic and dishonest. Some fires were caused deliberately by pyromaniacs and some by the scorching heat which has always been in Australia for centuries. My sister has an Aborigine as a neighbour- He said the problems about bush fires were written about and known bout before the 'whities' came to our land- his word not mine.
I haven’t once mentioned Australian bushfires.  I was referring to manmade destruction of virgin Amazon rainforest which is happening at an alarming rate and which, once it is gone, to be replaced by grassland and bare soil, it is gone.  You may be under the impression that this is not a serious issue and tragedy of immense proportions (for wildlife and indigenous populations, never mind the forest itself), but I disagree. 
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Global warming
« Reply #141 on: April 06, 2020, 07:16:26 PM »
I haven’t once mentioned Australian bushfires.  I was referring to manmade destruction of virgin Amazon rainforest which is happening at an alarming rate and which, once it is gone, to be replaced by grassland and bare soil, it is gone.  You may be under the impression that this is not a serious issue and tragedy of immense proportions (for wildlife and indigenous populations, never mind the forest itself), but I disagree.

I mentioned bush fires as they happen in many countries including south American countries. You mentioned the  burning- were you inferring they were done by companies  to clear the land?

I think I have proved that I have an interest in ecology. I do care greatly about the planet, I am just not interested in the lies and money being spent on pointless projects in the name of science to 'save' the planet.

The planet has proved over many millennium it can heal itself,offer new birth to islands which become fertile due to under the sea volcanic eruptions. It is a slow process- does this mean I agree with the rain forests being cleared by man for greed- No it doesn't. Or that man is causing the earth to burn up in 12 years- No is the answer.

  We have to tell the truth when discussing these issues.

 Wildlife is always in danger mainly due to the pecking order of the animal kingdom- they like us humans- are also exposed to the elements of weather causing death and destruction. floods, extreme heat, erupting volcanoes, tornadoes, tsunamis etc.

Using wind turbines is not ecologically sound.  Many birds are being killed, they are not reliable and cost per watt is costing more than the electricity it produces- when it produces. Not financially sound -NOT to mention the materials used and the manufacturing of these  Chinese labour (not great working practices or human rights for workers)- we can over look that because their lives are cheap anyway and we are saving the planet afterall.

The global warming scare mongers have a lot to answer to.


Note to those who insist CO2 is bad and killing us and the planet:

https://climatekids.nasa.gov/carbon/
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #142 on: April 06, 2020, 07:21:47 PM »
I mentioned bush fires as they happen in many countries including south American countries. You mentioned the  burning- were you inferring they were done by companies  to clear the land?

I think I have proved that I have an interest in ecology. I do care greatly about the planet, I am just not interested in the lies and money being spent on pointless projects in the name of science to 'save' the planet.

The planet has proved over many millennium it can heal itself,offer new birth to islands which become fertile due to under the sea volcanic eruptions. It is a slow process- does this mean I agree with the rain forests being cleared by man for greed- No it doesn't. Or that man is causing the earth to burn up in 12 years- No is the answer.

  We have to tell the truth when discussing these issues.

 Wildlife is always in danger mainly due to the pecking order of the animal kingdom- they like us humans- are also exposed to the elements of weather causing death and destruction. floods, extreme heat, erupting volcanoes, tornadoes, tsunamis etc.

Using wind turbines is not ecologically sound.  Many birds are being killed, they are not reliable and cost per watt is costing more than the electricity it produces- when it produces. Not financially sound -NOT to mention the materials used and the manufacturing of these  Chinese labour (not great working practices or human rights for workers)- we can over look that because their lives are cheap anyway and we are saving the planet afterall.

The global warming scare mongers have a lot to answer to.


Note to those who insist CO2 is bad and killing us and the planet:

https://climatekids.nasa.gov/carbon/
Yes companies are clearing rainforest by burning it.  Have you not heard the term “slash and burn”?  I expect you know alot more about it than the Rainforest Aliance, which is probably just some sinister lefty organisation as far as you’re concerned, but perhaps if you could refute this with some actual facts, that would be great

https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/articles/why-our-forests-are-burning
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Global warming
« Reply #143 on: April 06, 2020, 07:33:56 PM »
Yes companies are clearing rainforest by burning it.  Have you not heard the term “slash and burn”?  I expect you know alot more about it than the Rain forest Alliance, which is probably just some sinister lefty organisation as far as you’re concerned, but perhaps if you could refute this with some actual facts, that would be great

https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/articles/why-our-forests-are-burning


The sarcasm never did work for me.  Just say what you have to say and I will reply.

I have never made any comment/accusation regarding "Rainforest Aliance"

I have never claimed to hold more information about  Rain forest Alliance- why you want to say I did or infer I have a derogatory opinion says more about you.

I have never heard of the term slash and burn- I did ask you in previous posts if companies were doing this. You didn't reply.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Global warming
« Reply #144 on: April 06, 2020, 08:10:24 PM »

The sarcasm never did work for me.  Just say what you have to say and I will reply.

I have never made any comment/accusation regarding "Rainforest Aliance"

I have never claimed to hold more information about  Rain forest Alliance- why you want to say I did or infer I have a derogatory opinion says more about you.

I have never heard of the term slash and burn- I did ask you in previous posts if companies were doing this. You didn't reply.
I suggest you follow the link and you will get your answer.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Global warming
« Reply #145 on: April 06, 2020, 08:16:20 PM »
I mentioned bush fires as they happen in many countries including south American countries. You mentioned the  burning- were you inferring they were done by companies  to clear the land?

I think I have proved that I have an interest in ecology. I do care greatly about the planet, I am just not interested in the lies and money being spent on pointless projects in the name of science to 'save' the planet.

The planet has proved over many millennium it can heal itself,offer new birth to islands which become fertile due to under the sea volcanic eruptions. It is a slow process- does this mean I agree with the rain forests being cleared by man for greed- No it doesn't. Or that man is causing the earth to burn up in 12 years- No is the answer.

  We have to tell the truth when discussing these issues.

 Wildlife is always in danger mainly due to the pecking order of the animal kingdom- they like us humans- are also exposed to the elements of weather causing death and destruction. floods, extreme heat, erupting volcanoes, tornadoes, tsunamis etc.

Using wind turbines is not ecologically sound.  Many birds are being killed, they are not reliable and cost per watt is costing more than the electricity it produces- when it produces. Not financially sound -NOT to mention the materials used and the manufacturing of these  Chinese labour (not great working practices or human rights for workers)- we can over look that because their lives are cheap anyway and we are saving the planet afterall.

The global warming scare mongers have a lot to answer to.


Note to those who insist CO2 is bad and killing us and the planet:

https://climatekids.nasa.gov/carbon/


YOU referred to this site..climatekids/nasa....have alook at two other pages on the site YOU directed us to ...it explains climate change...what causes it and why its harmful....thats the site YOU linked to

https://climatekids.nasa.gov/climate-change-meaning/

.https://climatekids.nasa.gov/climate-change-evidence/

it also says

There are lots of factors that contribute to Earth’s climate. However, scientists agree that Earth has been getting warmer in the past 50 to 100 years due to human activities.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Global warming
« Reply #146 on: April 07, 2020, 10:36:00 PM »

YOU referred to this site..climatekids/nasa....have alook at two other pages on the site YOU directed us to ...it explains climate change...what causes it and why its harmful....thats the site YOU linked to

https://climatekids.nasa.gov/climate-change-meaning/

.https://climatekids.nasa.gov/climate-change-evidence/

it also says

There are lots of factors that contribute to Earth’s climate. However, scientists agree that Earth has been getting warmer in the past 50 to 100 years due to human activities.


"However, scientists agree that Earth has been getting warmer in the past 50 to 100 years due to human activities "


Yes  and... we know some scientists are claiming this-  this is not news.  Other challenge that claim. so all is good .

on an academic level or research.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/environment/antarcticas-denman-glacier-is-sinking-into-the-worlds-deepest-canyon/ar-BB12bRmF?ocid=ientp
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Global warming
« Reply #147 on: April 08, 2020, 08:14:41 AM »

"However, scientists agree that Earth has been getting warmer in the past 50 to 100 years due to human activities "


Yes  and... we know some scientists are claiming this-  this is not news.  Other challenge that claim. so all is good .

on an academic level or research.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/environment/antarcticas-denman-glacier-is-sinking-into-the-worlds-deepest-canyon/ar-BB12bRmF?ocid=ientp

FromNASA...


Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position.





Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Global warming
« Reply #148 on: April 09, 2020, 02:12:55 PM »
FromNASA...


Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position.


Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1

Where did the data come from? its the same ole same ole rolled out...  Many different journals  for and against a THEORY.

 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*

Them what write about it agree  (shock horror)why not 100% of the climate change scientist who actively write their journals making claims.

: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities.

extremely likely  is NOT a scientific certainty= not evidenced-  it is a guess!

 whood da thunk it!

" In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position".


they (leading scientific organizations worldwide)  forget to mention the money. climate change money, to produce papers, based on data which it dodgy. To offer up a theory!
AND they hide their means of gathering claimed authentic data.


Remember the emails? the ones the sceptics took sentences out of context. hahahaahaaha!

"Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails:
 (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions;

 (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and

 (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data."



"Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or observations.

Can anyone find fault with that statement?

 Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and procedures."

“Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”[/i]


play it down...it is there for all to read.


AND...

http://temperature.global/?fbclid=IwAR3KLUG7yWknMsg8pKs5eaMW2bl2NRq5opBcKFDifjEGVTORy1umB_OWuhk

There are many different scientist @ NASA. It isn't difficult to find conflicting 'theories'

"  Nevertheless, it is clear that solar variability seems much more likely to have driven the large regional climate changes seen in historical data. This provides both a useful test of the ability of climate models to simulate patterns of regional changes and important evidence for the importance of solar variability in climate change."




Then...
""Pink elephant in the room" time: There is no impending “ice age” or "mini ice age" to be caused by an expected reduction in the Sun’s energy output in the next several decades.

Through its lifetime, the Sun naturally goes through changes in energy output. Some of these occur over a regular 11-year period of peak (many sunspots) and low activity (fewer sunspots), which are quite predictable. "

So yes, No, we don't know? it depends on where the money comes from I guess. lol

I loved the moon landing TV show.

'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Global warming
« Reply #149 on: April 10, 2020, 04:43:07 PM »

Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1

Where did the data come from? its the same ole same ole rolled out...  Many different journals  for and against a THEORY.

 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*

Them what write about it agree  (shock horror)why not 100% of the climate change scientist who actively write their journals making claims.

: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities.

extremely likely  is NOT a scientific certainty= not evidenced-  it is a guess!

 whood da thunk it!

" In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position".


they (leading scientific organizations worldwide)  forget to mention the money. climate change money, to produce papers, based on data which it dodgy. To offer up a theory!
AND they hide their means of gathering claimed authentic data.


Remember the emails? the ones the sceptics took sentences out of context. hahahaahaaha!

"Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails:
 (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions;

 (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and

 (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data."



"Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or observations.

Can anyone find fault with that statement?

 Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and procedures."

“Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”[/i]


play it down...it is there for all to read.


AND...

http://temperature.global/?fbclid=IwAR3KLUG7yWknMsg8pKs5eaMW2bl2NRq5opBcKFDifjEGVTORy1umB_OWuhk

There are many different scientist @ NASA. It isn't difficult to find conflicting 'theories'

"  Nevertheless, it is clear that solar variability seems much more likely to have driven the large regional climate changes seen in historical data. This provides both a useful test of the ability of climate models to simulate patterns of regional changes and important evidence for the importance of solar variability in climate change."




Then...
""Pink elephant in the room" time: There is no impending “ice age” or "mini ice age" to be caused by an expected reduction in the Sun’s energy output in the next several decades.

Through its lifetime, the Sun naturally goes through changes in energy output. Some of these occur over a regular 11-year period of peak (many sunspots) and low activity (fewer sunspots), which are quite predictable. "

So yes, No, we don't know? it depends on where the money comes from I guess. lol

I loved the moon landing TV show.

your post is just a load of waffle...do you raed the links you provide...you psoted this..


http://temperature.global/?fbclid=IwAR3KLUG7yWknMsg8pKs5eaMW2bl2NRq5opBcKFDifjEGVTORy1umB_OWuhk

There are many different scientist @ NASA. It isn't difficult to find conflicting 'theories'

"  Nevertheless, it is clear that solar variability seems much more likely to have driven the large regional climate changes seen in historical data. This provides both a useful test of the ability of climate models to simulate patterns of regional changes and important evidence for the importance of solar variability in climate change."


did you read it properly...it says climate change seems to hve been driven by soalr change in HIS
http://temperature.global/?fbclid=IwAR3KLUG7yWknMsg8pKs5eaMW2bl2NRq5opBcKFDifjEGVTORy1umB_OWuhk

There are many different scientist @ NASA. It isn't difficult to find conflicting 'theories'

"  Nevertheless, it is clear that solar variability seems much more likely to have driven the large regional climate changes seen in historical data. This provides both a useful test of the ability of climate models to simulate patterns of regional changes and important evidence for the importance of solar variability in climate change."

did you read it...it says climate change appears to be driven by solar activity in HISTORICAL data...thats an accepted fact...but what is also an accepted fact that climate change NOW is being driven by MAN