KM's Paperback (PB)

[G-Unit]

But KM tells us it was "very dark" during the day due to the way in which they left the bedroom for the entire week ie shutter down and curtains closed so how would any artificial light from the bathroom light up when natural light flooding in during the day didn't?   

No GM didn't open the door a little wider he found it opened further than he left it which according to him was the reason, and only time, he actually went in the room to carry out a physical check as he thought MM might have been up and about.  This then brings us to another anomaly:  On Wed morning KM tells us that MM asked at breakfast why her parents hadn't come when she and Sean were crying.  KM tells us this is the reason they can be so precise about their Thu checks as they didn't want the children waking to find no one there.  So given GM found the door moved, which according to him was a first which he put down to MM up and about, why didn't he mention to KM when he returned to the table?  Why was MO allowed to check at 9.30 pm who had no knowledge re the position of the door?

And he visited the bathroom after seeing his daughter and returning the door to it's previous position.

[Mr Gray]

But KM tells us it was "very dark" during the day due to the way in which they left the bedroom for the entire week ie shutter down and curtains closed so how would any artificial light from the bathroom light up when natural light flooding in during the day didn't?   

No GM didn't open the door a little wider he found it opened further than he left it which according to him was the reason, and only time, he actually went in the room to carry out a physical check as he thought MM might have been up and about.  This then brings us to another anomaly:  On Wed morning KM tells us that MM asked at breakfast why her parents hadn't come when she and Sean were crying.  KM tells us this is the reason they can be so precise about their Thu checks as they didn't want the children waking to find no one there.  So given GM found the door moved, which according to him was a first which he put down to MM up and about, why didn't he mention to KM when he returned to the table?  Why was MO allowed to check at 9.30 pm who had no knowledge re the position of the door?

So the door was open wider... Which would explain the increase light.  It's a tiny anomaly that almost certainly has, a, simple explanation.. You see it as a serious red flag... That's just your opinion.
As it's plainly clear to me the mccannns are not involved I would expect there's quite a simple explanation

[G-Unit]

So the door was open wider... Which would explain the increase light.  It's a tiny anomaly that almost certainly has, a, simple explanation.. You see it as a serious red flag... That's just your opinion.
As it's plainly clear to me the mccannns are not involved I would expect there's quite a simple explanation

You seem to be saying that a simple explanation must exists because you have previously decided the McCanns are not involved.

On the other hand you say you decided the McCanns are not involved after examining all the evidence.

Reading Kate's book with your mind already made up suggests you didn't read it with an open mind.

[Mr Gray]

You seem to be saying that a simple explanation must exists because you have previously decided the McCanns are not involved.

On the other hand you say you decided the McCanns are not involved after examining all the evidence.

Reading Kate's book with your mind already made up suggests you didn't read it with an open mind.

I dint see such a slight and easily explained anomaly to be reason to susoect the mccanns in light of all the other available evidence

As regards the open mind you, are quite wrong... I'm open to any new evidence

[Holly Goodhead]

So the door was open wider... Which would explain the increase light.  It's a tiny anomaly that almost certainly has, a, simple explanation.. You see it as a serious red flag... That's just your opinion.
As it's plainly clear to me the mccannns are not involved I would expect there's quite a simple explanation

No its not just my opinion.  The McCann's version of events clearly contradict.  The fact you choose to ignore them means you're unlikely to be in a position to look at the case objectively. 

I've never said the McCanns were directly involved in MM's disappearance but that doesn't mean to say I have to swallow everything they say when their version of events don't stack up. 

 

[Holly Goodhead]

If GM found the door as he left it then there would be no need for him to check on MM and this imo is what actually happened.  This would mean MM could have been abducted (for those of us who believe she was) from any time between 8.30 pm and 10.00 pm. 

[Mr Gray]

No its not just my opinion.  The McCann's version of events clearly contradict.  The fact you choose to ignore them means you're unlikely to be in a position to look at the case objectively. 

I've never said the McCanns were directly involved in MM's disappearance but that doesn't mean to say I have to swallow everything they say when their version of events don't stack up.

I look at the case entirely objectively... After your claim to have claim  solved the case I don't think you are in a position to criticise..

I don't swallow anything... I'm perhaps just better at sorting the wheat from the chaff when it comes to evidence

[Holly Goodhead]

I look at the case entirely objectively... After your claim to have claim  solved the case I don't think you are in a position to criticise..

I don't swallow anything... I'm perhaps just better at sorting the wheat from the chaff when it comes to evidence

Anyone who is unable to countenance the McCanns might be wrong with their recollections is unable to view the case objectively. 

Why do you insist on constantly referring to my claim to have solved the case?  What has it got to do with the thread?   If you want to comment re this here's the appropriate thread:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10983.msg558773#msg558773

[Holly Goodhead]

If GM found the door as he left it then there would be no need for him to check on MM and this imo is what actually happened.  This would mean MM could have been abducted (for those of us who believe she was) from any time between 8.30 pm and 10.00 pm.

Thinking about it further did GM actually venture beyond the lounge?  We know he was a big footy fan and KM had commented about how long he was gone thinking he might have been watching footy on the telly: UEFA semi-finals.  Did this along with his chat to JW take up all his time as opposed to a loo break and checking on MM? 

How would it look if when asked if MM was present at 9 pm where she was left alone in the unlocked apartment if he said dunno I didn't hear anything and just stopped for 5 mins to watch the footy on the telly?!

[Mr Gray]

Anyone who is unable to countenance the McCanns might be wrong with their recollections is unable to view the case objectively. 

Why do you insist on constantly referring to my claim to have solved the case?  What has it got to do with the thread?   If you want to comment re this here's the appropriate thread:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10983.msg558773#msg558773

I've never said the mccanns may be wrong with their recollection... So you're wrong on that.. I've said there may well be a, quite innocent explanation... That's an open mind

For the record it could be that the mccanns are two of the most evil parents, who ever lived and I'm totally wrong about them... I just don't see thst as a realistic possibility

[Holly Goodhead]

Thinking about it further did GM actually venture beyond the lounge?  We know he was a big footy fan and KM had commented about how long he was gone thinking he might have been watching footy on the telly: UEFA semi-finals.  Did this along with his chat to JW take up all his time as opposed to a loo break and checking on MM? 

How would it look if when asked if MM was present at 9 pm where she was left alone in the unlocked apartment if he said dunno I didn't hear anything and just stopped for 5 mins to watch the footy on the telly?!

GM was obviously concerned enough about claims of parental neglect given a barrister flew out on 11th May who reassured the McCanns that their evening childcare arrangements fell 'well within the bounds of reasonable parenting'.  And yet this barrister might well have been quite happy to prosecute lesser mortals had their young charges disappeared in the same circumstances.   

[pathfinder73]

This is where the McCann story falls apart for me:

Page 66:

On our arrival we had lowered the blind-style shutters on the outside of the windows, which were controlled from the inside, and closed the curtains.  We left them that way all week.  This early in the season, the nights were not warm, there was no need to open a window and we reasoned that having the shutters down and the curtains drawn would keep it cool during the day.  Although it meant the room was very dark, the children weren't going to be in there during the daytime, and at night we always left the door ajar to let in a little light.


GM tells us in his wit stat of 4th May when he checked the children at 8.30 pm the room was "totally dark"

KM tells us in her PB, and in numerous vids, that when she checked the children at circa 10 pm she was initially unable to determine whether or not MM was in her bed as the room was so dark.  And yet on page 92 she tells us that when GM checked the children at circa 9 pm he paused to look at MM and thought to himself she's so beautiful.  Perhaps GM eats lots of carrots 

Their story falls apart on many things. And people wonder why the case is still open 

[G-Unit]

Thinking about it further did GM actually venture beyond the lounge?  We know he was a big footy fan and KM had commented about how long he was gone thinking he might have been watching footy on the telly: UEFA semi-finals.  Did this along with his chat to JW take up all his time as opposed to a loo break and checking on MM? 

How would it look if when asked if MM was present at 9 pm where she was left alone in the unlocked apartment if he said dunno I didn't hear anything and just stopped for 5 mins to watch the footy on the telly?!

He didn't seem to want to discuss 'footie' when Jane mentioned it in 'Madeleine was here'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfDV7imHHY  10:15

[Holly Goodhead]

I've never said the mccanns may be wrong with their recollection... So you're wrong on that.. I've said there may well be a, quite innocent explanation... That's an open mind

For the record it could be that the mccanns are two of the most evil parents, who ever lived and I'm totally wrong about them... I just don't see thst as a realistic possibility

And it might just be that one or both felt so ashamed, embarrassed, guilty and humiliated by their sheer selfishness and stupidity of leaving their 3 children all < 4 yoa in an unlocked holiday apartment that they dished up a slightly more palatable narrative.     

[Mr Gray]

And it might just be that one or both felt so ashamed, embarrassed, guilty and humiliated by their sheer selfishness and stupidity of leaving their 3 children all < 4 yoa in an unlocked holiday apartment that they dished up a slightly more palatable narrative.     

Could well be... That would be a simple explanation.. Afaiac