KM's Paperback (PB)

[Vertigo Swirl]

Its a £12 million question that stumps SY.

The Met already answered those questions, way before spending £12m.

[Holly Goodhead]

And so you think Gerry is sufficiently sociopathic to put his own self preservation first, and the search for his daughter and his daughter’s abductor second do you?  You think he is so callous and cynical that he would invent a heart rending account of his last sighting of his daughter to fool not only the police but slso his wife, his other children and the rest of his family?  Yet you also credit him with the capacity to feel shame?  IMO these are not compatible traits.   I think your narrative is coloured by your personal dislike of the man.

I don't think he would need to be a sociopath to manipulate the facts into a palatable narrative. 

MM's disappearance must have hit like a bolt from the blue.  I think it is safe to assume he could not have conceived of her coming to any harm otherwise he would not have left her in the first place.  He scoured the locality hoping she may have wandered off and/or someone abducted her and left her nearby.   He shortly realised this was not the case.  KM could not bear to tell her parents so this task fell to GM who also had to tell his own family.  It no doubt crossed his mind how all of this was going to look not just to the family but friends, neighbours, colleagues etc.  And more importantly he had two other children.  RO, a trained lawyer, whose husband was tasked with checking MM at 9.30 pm, may have sounded the alarm bells about the lot of them, T9, facing potential legal charges of child neglect.  MO had no idea whether MM was present or not.  It would have looked very bad indeed if GM had no idea whether or not MM was present at 9.00 pm. 

For me all the surrounding testimony fits together if GM did not physically check MM at 9.00 pm.  If he did check then for me all the surrounding testimony does not fit together.  Therefore I choose to believe the former over the latter. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Its a £12 million question that stumps SY.

SY are easily stumped because they are a homogeneous group of people and all the research shows hetrogenous groups perform better in solving problems. 

SY are looking for a male(s) with criminal backgrounds/social deviants who left behind an electronic footprint by way of telecommunications.  What if the abductor is female who might have had a male accomplice both of which are middle class without a history of criminality/social deviance neither of whom left behind an electronic footprint as they have each other to share with. 

You typical MET officer is a white British male who signs up as a cadet all of whom receive the same training meaning SY is primarily made up of a bunch of guys who all look and think alike which might be fine for busting the run of the mill crime but when you get unusual cases like the murder of Jill Dando and the disappearance of MM it requires a different type of skill set which is lacking imo.     

[Mr Gray]

SY are easily stumped because they are a homogeneous group of people and all the research shows hetrogenous groups perform better in solving problems. 

SY are looking for a male(s) with criminal backgrounds/social deviants who left behind an electronic footprint by way of telecommunications.  What if the abductor is female who might have had a male accomplice both of which are middle class without a history of criminality/social deviance neither of whom left behind an electronic footprint as they have each other to share with. 

You typical MET officer is a white British male who signs up as a cadet all of whom receive the same training meaning SY is primarily made up of a bunch of guys who all look and think alike which might be fine for busting the run of the mill crime but when you get unusual cases like the murder of Jill Dando and the disappearance of MM it requires a different type of skill set which is lacking imo.     

I find your entire post total rubbish. Imo... SY will simply follow the evidence

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't think he would need to be a sociopath to manipulate the facts into a palatable narrative. 

MM's disappearance must have hit like a bolt from the blue.  I think it is safe to assume he could not have conceived of her coming to any harm otherwise he would not have left her in the first place.  He scoured the locality hoping she may have wandered off and/or someone abducted her and left her nearby.   He shortly realised this was not the case.  KM could not bear to tell her parents so this task fell to GM who also had to tell his own family.  It no doubt crossed his mind how all of this was going to look not just to the family but friends, neighbours, colleagues etc.  And more importantly he had two other children.  RO, a trained lawyer, whose husband was tasked with checking MM at 9.30 pm, may have sounded the alarm bells about the lot of them, T9, facing potential legal charges of child neglect.  MO had no idea whether MM was present or not.  It would have looked very bad indeed if GM had no idea whether or not MM was present at 9.00 pm. 

For me all the surrounding testimony fits together if GM did not physically check MM at 9.00 pm.  If he did check then for me all the surrounding testimony does not fit together.  Therefore I choose to believe the former over the latter.

GM's role as a cardiologist would suggest he is someone capable of what I've suggested above:

The skills and interests you will need include:

- able to motivate and manage yourself
- analytical judgement
- making complex decisions in difficult situations
- confidence in referring to others when something is outside your expertise
- an interest in the cardiovascular system and effective therapy
- high energy levels
- working in and having the potential to lead a team
- able to communicate well with colleagues and patients

https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/roles-doctors/medicine/cardiology/entry-requirements-skills-and-interests

[Holly Goodhead]

I find your entire post total rubbish. Imo... SY will simply follow the evidence

It doesn't surprise me Davel that you find my entire post total rubbish since you write most of my posts off as 'rubbish'.   As I've said numerous times firstly the fact you find something 'rubbish' doesn't make it so.  Secondly, you so so overuse the word 'rubbish' I would imagine most here are desensitised by it.  Thirdly, you might help your arguments if you can show why/how they are 'rubbish' rather than simply labelling what you're arguing against 'rubbish'.

[Mr Gray]

It doesn't surprise me Davel that you find my entire post total rubbish since you write most of my posts off as 'rubbish'.   As I've said numerous times firstly the fact you find something 'rubbish' doesn't make it so.  Secondly, you so so overuse the word 'rubbish' I would imagine most here are desensitised by it.  Thirdly, you might help your arguments if you can show why/how they are 'rubbish' rather than simply labelling what you're arguing against 'rubbish'.

The evidence would show that the best people to solve problems are those trained to solve them... A mathematical problem is best solved by a mathematician.  Almost your entire post is your opinion based on little or no evidence.. Howbis it possible to argue against that.

You seem to think the public would be better at solving these cased than the professionals... You have provided no evidence to support that

[G-Unit]

The police are as susceptible as anyone else to judging a book by it's cover.

[Mr Gray]

It doesn't surprise me Davel that you find my entire post total rubbish since you write most of my posts off as 'rubbish'.   As I've said numerous times firstly the fact you find something 'rubbish' doesn't make it so.  Secondly, you so so overuse the word 'rubbish' I would imagine most here are desensitised by it.  Thirdly, you might help your arguments if you can show why/how they are 'rubbish' rather than simply labelling what you're arguing against 'rubbish'.

I think you simply do not realise how difficult this case is to solve. That's because it is almost certainly a stranger abduction. All cases involving strangers are difficult wheras if the person is connected to the victim it's far easier.

The Yorkshire ripper springs to mind... How would a member if the public solved that one

[Holly Goodhead]

The evidence would show that the best people to solve problems are those trained to solve them... A mathematical problem is best solved by a mathematician.  Almost your entire post is your opinion based on little or no evidence.. Howbis it possible to argue against that.

You seem to think the public would be better at solving these cased than the professionals... You have provided no evidence to support that

You said:

I find your entire post total rubbish. Imo... SY will simply follow the evidence

What 'evidence' are SY following?  As far as I know there's no evidence?  No forensics?  No signs of forced entry?  No witnesses?  No CCTV?  No electronic footprints?  No suspects?  No psychological profile?  No one even knows what the motive was?

Where have I said that the public would be better at solving these cases than the professionals? 

A mathematician knows what he/she is dealing with.  In this case the 'professionals' have no idea what they're dealing with hence they are going wide and far: burglary gone wrong to a sexual predator. 

[Mr Gray]

You said:

I find your entire post total rubbish. Imo... SY will simply follow the evidence

What 'evidence' are SY following?  As far as I know there's no evidence?  No forensics?  No signs of forced entry?  No witnesses?  No CCTV?  No electronic footprints?  No suspects?  No psychological profile?  No one even knows what the motive was?

Where have I said that the public would be better at solving these cases than the professionals? 

A mathematician knows what he/she is dealing with.  In this case the 'professionals' have no idea what they're dealing with hence they are going wide and far: burglary gone wrong to a sexual predator.

You don't know what evidence SY are following... You have no idea what SY do or do not know..... You are simply making an assumption

You claim to have solved the case.  What evidence do you have

[misty]

SY are easily stumped because they are a homogeneous group of people and all the research shows hetrogenous groups perform better in solving problems. 

SY are looking for a male(s) with criminal backgrounds/social deviants who left behind an electronic footprint by way of telecommunications.  What if the abductor is female who might have had a male accomplice both of which are middle class without a history of criminality/social deviance neither of whom left behind an electronic footprint as they have each other to share with. 

You typical MET officer is a white British male who signs up as a cadet all of whom receive the same training meaning SY is primarily made up of a bunch of guys who all look and think alike which might be fine for busting the run of the mill crime but when you get unusual cases like the murder of Jill Dando and the disappearance of MM it requires a different type of skill set which is lacking imo.     

One of the few Met officers who worked very closely with the original Portuguese investigation team, DS Defrietas, is Portuguese by birth. He had previously worked on the Stephanie Slater/Julie Dart cases which culminated in the conviction of Michael Sams. The crimes were carefully planned by a sole perpetrator. I wonder how much of the officer's knowledge & experience was ignored by PJ?

[jassi]

One of the few Met officers who worked very closely with the original Portuguese investigation team, DS Defrietas, is Portuguese by birth. He had previously worked on the Stephanie Slater/Julie Dart cases which culminated in the conviction of Michael Sams. The crimes were carefully planned by a sole perpetrator. I wonder how much of the officer's knowledge & experience was ignored by PJ?

Unless you have definite evidence that he was ignored, there is no need to wonder at all.  IMO

[G-Unit]

One of the few Met officers who worked very closely with the original Portuguese investigation team, DS Defrietas, is Portuguese by birth. He had previously worked on the Stephanie Slater/Julie Dart cases which culminated in the conviction of Michael Sams. The crimes were carefully planned by a sole perpetrator. I wonder how much of the officer's knowledge & experience was ignored by PJ?

We might have found out, had the UK authorities not prevented him from giving evidence in the libel trial as Amaral's lawyers requested.
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/maddie-case-british-cop-invokes-state.html

[misty]

We might have found out, had the UK authorities not prevented him from giving evidence in the libel trial as Amaral's lawyers requested.
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/maddie-case-british-cop-invokes-state.html

The libel trial was not a criminal trial. Defreitas was bound by the OSA. It was unethical of Amaral or his lawyer to request his testimony imo.