Feasibility Of Disposing Of A Small Child's Body In The PDL Area

[Holly Goodhead]

Hi Youp69, I think you bring an interesting dimension to Madeleine’s case. The two little cemeteries on Rua Cemiterio are not only in close proximity to the Ocean Club, but also where digging took place in an attempt to uncover some evidence.

Hi Anthro, what evidence did the digs reveal?

[Holly Goodhead]

Too interested in the dinosaur footprints.

Probably pertain to some of the older members here carrying out field visits 

[The General]

I wonder how many here understand what a Sky Burial is

I know, coz we're all thick as mince.

[G-Unit]

Hi Youp69, I think you bring an interesting dimension to Madeleine’s case. The two little cemeteries on Rua Cemiterio are not only in close proximity to the Ocean Club, but also where digging took place in an attempt to uncover some evidence.

Either Matthew Oldfield or Russell O'Brien mentioned searching down that road in their rog interview.

[barrier]

Hi Anthro, what evidence did the digs reveal?

That a body wasn't there,but a body not there doesn't mean there is no body to be found.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Pity you just missed out on the European vulture conference when the venue was on your patch:

https://www.4vultures.org/2019/03/19/join-us-in-portugal-for-the-european-vulture-conference-2019/?mobile=1

[Holly Goodhead]

From The General:

I don't think so either, certainly not a shallow hole anyway, in my experience; I was alluding to the fact that there are several different ground conditions, all with varying degrees of 'hardness'. The whole of southern Portugal is not uniform, so simply stating that the ground is baked, even in May, is superfluous.

From Holly:

In terms of the MCanns they DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO VEHICLE to dispose of a body outside PDL until much later by which time body decomposition would be a give away.   
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Handwritten Richard McCluskey statement"


He provided a statement in relation to suspicious activity he observed in the early hours of Saturday 5 MAY 2007.In the original statement Mr. McClusky states he described a male alighting A WHITE COLORED VAN and walking along a road carrying what appeared to be a motionless child. He then states he observed a distressed female run down a road and approach the same WHITE VAN. Having viewed recent media coverage regarding the investigation, M, McClusky now states that the female he saw and described IS MRS MCCANN( the missing child?s mother).

"Another thing which has played on my mind is the coverage of Mr McCann walking off the aeroplane holding one of his young children. The way he was holding the child over his left shoulder reminded me of the man carrying the child from the WHITE VAN in Portugal.

Although I could not describe the male I'd seen in Portugal because he had his back to me, it was the particular way Mr. McCann held the child that made me think. He held the child over his left shoulder with his left arm supporting the child?s weight.

(signed).......R McCluskey
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm



You mean you don't think they had a vehicle to dispose of a body Holly but that doesn't alter the fact that here is evidence to indicate that they may have got their hands on a white van in the files..


Goodnight!

Good morning Cheeky Monkey

At the bottom of the statment you uploaded it states:

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm

It has already been checked! They are Ukrainians from Alvor with a blonde daughter who attends the “A Flor” crèche in Portimao.

Have you got any evidence that the McCanns had access to a vehicle prior to hiring the RS?

[Lace]

That’s not what I said. The body had to be removed from the appartment to a temporally spot nearby. The alibi had to be confirmed by friends. So it had to be hidden till the moment that night to seek a permanent burial or dumping spot to solve the problems and trying to escape from justice. Till now, if the parents were involved, they succeeded in their goal.

I thought the Police were out with dogs?   Any dog would smell a dead body.

As for 'alibi'   Jane hardly knew Gerry,  do you honestly think all the friends would agree to lie to the Police?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Thanks for this information. Do you have more details about this attempt  ?

Russell O’Brien is in my investigation the one who knows more about the missing of Madeleine. His timeline made it possible to play an important role in moving the body from the appartment to another spot nearby, before KM went to check the kids and the outcome at the time.

And why is Russell O’Brien moving the body in your view?

[G-Unit]

Is there more information about digging on Cemetery Road? Who was digging and when?

[Lace]

Not only Jane stated what you wrote, also Russell. They knew the McCann’s shortly. In my investigation is that an important fact. They didn’t lie about their relation towards the McCann’s, but that doesn’t ruled out their involvement in this case in helping his colleague and wife, who were confronted earlier that evening with a till now unknown event behind the frontdoor of their appartment.

So when did the hiding of the body occur Youp69?  Before dinner,  then they all gathered at the Tapas bar to laugh and joke the evening away?   Or after dinner when people were gathering to search for Madeleine?

They didn't seem that eager to get their alibis together either,   they were all rushing around searching for Madeleine.  Jane was in her own apartment with her children.   So when did Gerry reveal what had happened to Madeleine and ask them all to collaborate?   They were writing the time line out in front of the Police officer.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Friendship is a double bind. Every human being is caught in  a web of double binds. I have to introduce this phenomenon in daily life because it’s all about communication and behavior. If you promise a friend to help when he is in trouble you will be confronted with consequences . If you break a promise .... what happens ....

https://psychology-spot.com/double-bind-theory/

A link for those who are unaware of the complexity in their own daily life of this natural and universal phenomenon.

Double binds is all about power and influence. This unsolved case shows the outcome of this daily process.

Hogwash.  Do you have friends for whom you would break the law by hiding the body of their dead kid if they asked you nicely?

[Lace]

Friendship is a double bind. Every human being is caught in  a web of double binds. I have to introduce this phenomenon in daily life because it’s all about communication and behavior. If you promise a friend to help when he is in trouble you will be confronted with consequences . If you break a promise .... what happens ....

https://psychology-spot.com/double-bind-theory/

A link for those who are unaware of the complexity in their own daily life of this natural and universal phenomenon. For those who are interested one can find a lot of other links to this theory.

Double binds is all about power and influence. This unsolved case shows till now the outcome of this daily process

Double bind would happen over a period of time,  you are talking about a quick decision to cover up the death  of a child,  to lie to police to put their jobs,  family and their future in jeopardy.   Also there is a group of people who would have to lie.

[Brietta]

Friendship is from the beginning a double bind. You like eachother. When you tell your friend about something that happened and ask him to keep it a secret and not to talk about it with anybody else he will be caught in your web if he promise to do so.

Your friend  is forced to lie and whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent

You may be acquainted with individuals such as those you describe but to ascribe those qualities to other known individuals isn't just skating close to libel it is in my opinion libel by innuendo.

I will delete any more of it I see and you can take it up with admin of John from there.  TY

[Vertigo Swirl]

Starting your comment with ‘Hogwash’ as being a classifier shows your ignorance.

Refusing to answer my question shows yours.