The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit

[faithlilly]

And your argument would have been equally as ridiculous.  BTW, Mugabe was a Marxist Socialist, probably much admired by Corbyn in his early days.

But still a populist leader who became a dictator.

[Vertigo Swirl]

But still a populist leader who became a dictator.

But you resolutely rejected the idea when the boot was on the other foot and it was suggested that Corbyn’s Labour Party could have gone the same way as other Marxist dictatorships. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

If Remain had won then we wouldn’t be inflicting this grievous harm on ourself and truth would have won the day so, no I wouldn’t have supported it.

Truth?  No.  Opinion, yes.  You a hypocrite of the highest order then, IMO. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not what I said.

What do you say then?

[faithlilly]

But you resolutely rejected the idea when the boot was on the other foot and it was suggested that Corbyn’s Labour Party could have gone the same way as other Marxist dictatorships.

Because there was no evidence for it. What Corbyn was promoting was social democracy, not Marxism.

[faithlilly]

Truth?  No.  Opinion, yes.  You a hypocrite of the highest order then, IMO.

So perhaps you can appraise me of the multitude of lies the Remain campaign told ?

[faithlilly]

What do you say then?

Read back....it’s all there.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Because there was no evidence for it. What Corbyn was promoting was social democracy, not Marxism.

Whereas you clearly see The Tories promoting National Socialism, then.  I see.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So perhaps you can appraise me of the multitude of lies the Remain campaign told ?

Grow up woman.   Both sides had an agenda and pushed their versions of the truth.  We have yet to discover what the truth is (and won’t do so for many years), and to claim that Remain represented the Truth is a load of old bollocks and you know it.  You cannot have one rule for the Remain argument and one for the Leave, unless you are a massive, massive hypocrite who only believes in democracy when it suits you.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Read back....it’s all there.

Do I really have to?   Are you saying that the public hadn’t warmed to Corbyn’s brand of socialism and weren’t brainwashed against him by the MSM then?

[faithlilly]

Whereas you clearly see The Tories promoting National Socialism, then.  I see.

I think Johnson and his merry band of imbeciles see it as a means to an end...though to be fair I wouldn’t be surprised if the saner elements of the party...traditional, centrist Tories baulk at the idea.

[faithlilly]

Grow up woman.   Both sides had an agenda and pushed their versions of the truth.  We have yet to discover what the truth is (and won’t do so for many years), and to claim that Remain represented the Truth is a load of old bollocks and you know it.  You cannot have one rule for the Remain argument and one for the Leave, unless you are a massive, massive hypocrite who only believes in democracy when it suits you.

We already knew broadly what we’d get if we stayed in the EU, mostly more of the same so where was the dishonesty there ? Pointing out the Leave lies, £350million for the NHS, an influx of Turkish immigrants etc etc etc was a public service rather than a campaign.

[faithlilly]

Do I really have to?   Are you saying that the public hadn’t warmed to Corbyn’s brand of socialism and weren’t brainwashed against him by the MSM then?

My, my your hatred of Corbyn really is visceral.

There were several elements to Labour’s loss, one of them certainly was the smearing of Corbyn by the rightwing media, however that was only one element.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think Johnson and his merry band of imbeciles see it as a means to an end...though to be fair I wouldn’t be surprised if the saner elements of the party...traditional, centrist Tories baulk at the idea.

Your (soon to be) new leader warns against painting Boris and the Tories as clowns in today’s Observer.  It’s perhaps time you upped your game in the debating stakes or at least provided a little consistency:  imbeciles or Nazis?  I don’t really think they can be both.  You might want to consider the possibility that they are actually at neither end of these extremes, which would certainly imo be the less childish approach.

[Vertigo Swirl]

We already knew broadly what we’d get if we stayed in the EU, mostly more of the same so where was the dishonesty there ? Pointing out the Leave lies, £350million for the NHS, an influx of Turkish immigrants etc etc etc was a public service rather than a campaign.

Well let’s see, you have told us that the statement “the worst act of national self-harm” from a Remain commentator is the truth.  So, if it is not a lie then there will be proof of its veracity.  Please now provide proof of all the harm that we as a nation have suffered since we left the EU.