Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....

[Eleanor]

You’d have to ask someone well versed in the law on these matters.  Copying and pasting bits from the Citizen’s Advice website isn’t good enough to make a decision one way or the other.   Presumably some law was broken to allow 25 drug pushers, murderers and rapists not to be deported, so maybe these poor violent criminals will get a reprieve and be allowed to reoffend here at a later date.

They quite likely already have.  When does Britain have the right to say that this will not be tolerated?

[faithlilly]

You’d have to ask someone well versed in the law on these matters.  Copying and pasting bits from the Citizen’s Advice website isn’t good enough to make a decision one way or the other.   Presumably some law was broken to allow 25 drug pushers, murderers and rapists not to be deported, so maybe these poor violent criminals will get a reprieve and be allowed to reoffend here at a later date.

You can’t pick and chose what laws you like to adhere to.

Your stance reminds me of that famous poem

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

[faithlilly]

They quite likely already have.  When does Britain have the right to say that this will not be tolerated?

It does have the right but the government must follow the law as it stands. What a different outcome.....change the law.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You can’t pick and chose what laws you like to adhere to.

Your stance reminds me of that famous poem

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

*sanctimonious cliche klaxon*
Can you please point out in what way I have picked and chosen which laws to abide by?  Thanking you in advance for your enlightenment in this matter.

[faithlilly]

*sanctimonious cliche klaxon*
Can you please point out in what way I have picked and chosen which laws to abide by?  Thanking you in advance for your enlightenment in this matter.

You haven’t, the government has.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You haven’t, the government has.

Under a socialist government would black foreign nationals ever be deported do you think, or would they be given British citizenship on release from prison if they wanted it?  I think it’s one of many problems Labour has.  The Great British Public no longer believes Labour has its best interests at heart and instead are more concerned with the welfare of the rest of the world’s poor and disadvantaged IMO.  The Tories are only doing what the vast majority of ordinary Brits think is the best for their country and it only enhances their reputation IMO.  You may not like it but what are you going to do about it?

[faithlilly]

Under a socialist government would black foreign nationals ever be deported do you think, or would they be given British citizenship on release from prison if they wanted it?  I think it’s one of many problems Labour has.  The Great British Public no longer believes Labour has its best interests at heart and instead are more concerned with the welfare of the rest of the world’s poor and disadvantaged IMO.  The Tories are only doing what the vast majority of ordinary Brits think is the best for their country and it only enhances their reputation IMO.  You may not like it but what are you going to do about it?

Any government, no matter what their colour, should be guided by their own laws.  Also I think you should avoid using phrases like ‘ the Great British Public believes’, at best it’s a lazy generalisation. Lest we forget Labour is the largest political party in Europe with some half a million members, while the Conservatives lag behind with around the 160000 mark, so there is certainly a large section of the population who support both them and their policies. That Johnson filled a need in the electorate this election is true but I don’t think those voters can be relied upon by the Conservatives long term. Kier Starmer, for me, will be the pragmatic choice as he will show Johnson up for  the inadequate charlatan he has always been.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Any government, no matter what their colour, should be guided by their own laws.  Also I think you should avoid using phrases like ‘ the Great British Public believes’, at best it’s a lazy generalisation. Lest we forget Labour is the largest political party in Europe with some half a million members, while the Conservatives lag behind with around the 160000 mark, so there is certainly a large section of the population who support both them and their policies. That Johnson filled a need in the electorate this election is true but I don’t think those voters can be relied upon by the Conservatives long term. Kier Starmer, for me, will be the pragmatic choice as he will show Johnson up for  the inadequate charlatan he has always been.

I think I should be allowed to say “the Great Beitish public believes that deporting rapists, murderers and drug dealers is a good thing” if that is my opinion, which it is.  Do you think if there was a national referendum on the subject that the majority would vote NOT to deport them?  Do you really seriously believe that?  Please!  I look forward to Keir Starmer showing Boris up in parliament and in finding a way to reconnect with erstwhile Labour voters who were so alienated and repulsed by his predecessor.

[Vertigo Swirl]

From a wide ranging report on British public’s attitiude to immigration conducted by Hope Not Hate

Trust in the Government and politicians is low
Among those who took part in the citizens’ panels there was very little trust in the Government to manage immigration, both adding to and reflecting a broader mistrust of politicians and politics. Just 15% of respondents in the ICM research felt that the Government had managed immigration into the UK competently and fairly. The citizens’ panels did not trust the Government to enforce immigration policy competently or follow through policy commitments. High profile policy failures such as the Windrush scandal, failure to deport foreign national prisoners and failure to meet the net migration target added to political mistrust.
http://nationalconversation.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/national-conversation-exec-summary-2018-09-v2-PRINT.pdf

[Vertigo Swirl]

By far the largest nimber of foreign national criminals facing deportation from this country have white skin.  Where’s Labour’s outrage about these people?  In fact, Keith Vaz (Lab) used this report to criticise the government for not doing enough to deport them! 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-more-than-13000-foreign-criminals-awaiting-deportation-from-uk-a7063026.html

While the majority of FNOs (foreign national offenders) in the UK are in prisons, nearly 6,000 were living in communities at the end of 2015, the report said. Of the predominant nationalities among FNOs, the top three were all EU countries: Poland, Ireland and Romania.

[faithlilly]

I think I should be allowed to say “the Great Beitish public believes that deporting rapists, murderers and drug dealers is a good thing” if that is my opinion, which it is.  Do you think if there was a national referendum on the subject that the majority would vote NOT to deport them?  Do you really seriously believe that?  Please!  I look forward to Keir Starmer showing Boris up in parliament and in finding a way to reconnect with erstwhile Labour voters who were so alienated and repulsed by his predecessor.

You can of course say whatever you like but that particular phrase shows you up as being somewhat lazy in your thinking....but then again we know how you love your generalisations...let the MSM do all your thinking for you, much simpler. Let’s be clear though....the law is the law and any government who bends it to gain popularity simply isn’t fit to be in power.

Phrase most used by Labour voters who voted Conservative......”I don’t like/ trust Johnson but he’ll get Brexit done”. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. On the other hand Corbyn is the most popular Labour leader in the last 100 years among Labour members.

[faithlilly]

From a wide ranging report on British public’s attitiude to immigration conducted by Hope Not Hate

Trust in the Government and politicians is low
Among those who took part in the citizens’ panels there was very little trust in the Government to manage immigration, both adding to and reflecting a broader mistrust of politicians and politics. Just 15% of respondents in the ICM research felt that the Government had managed immigration into the UK competently and fairly. The citizens’ panels did not trust the Government to enforce immigration policy competently or follow through policy commitments. High profile policy failures such as the Windrush scandal, failure to deport foreign national prisoners and failure to meet the net migration target added to political mistrust.
http://nationalconversation.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/national-conversation-exec-summary-2018-09-v2-PRINT.pdf

And who has been in government for the last 10 years ?

[faithlilly]

By far the largest nimber of foreign national criminals facing deportation from this country have white skin.  Where’s Labour’s outrage about these people?  In fact, Keith Vaz (Lab) used this report to criticise the government for not doing enough to deport them! 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-more-than-13000-foreign-criminals-awaiting-deportation-from-uk-a7063026.html

While the majority of FNOs (foreign national offenders) in the UK are in prisons, nearly 6,000 were living in communities at the end of 2015, the report said. Of the predominant nationalities among FNOs, the top three were all EU countries: Poland, Ireland and Romania.

It’s not about deportation per say it’s about what is lawful....why can’t you get your head around that ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

And who has been in government for the last 10 years ?

The “institutionally racist” Tory Party, who failed for 10years to deport foreign national offenders to much criticism, and now they are getting round to it they are getting even more criticism!

[Vertigo Swirl]

It’s not about deportation per say it’s about what is lawful....why can’t you get your head around that ?

My head is totally around it, what makes you think otherwise?