Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....

[Vertigo Swirl]

In what way not completely irrational? Why more rational than fearing immigration from Eastern Europe or the Caribbean and while I agree that you will never completely eradicate people’s prejudices we must never stop calling them out for what they are, a stain on the British psyche.

Because people from Eastern Europe or the Caribbean are not on a supposedly God given mission to convert us to their religions, laws, culture and customs.  Because people from Eastern Europe or the Caribbean don’t use their religion as an excuse to attack random strangers on London pavements with machetes.   Of course the majority of Muslims don’t do these things either, but unfortunately for them some of their more extreme brethren do, and this makes people wary and suspicious of the whole group.  Now, I consider myself a reasonable, rational person who is not a terrible racist but when I was stood on a London tube train and a young Muslim man in religious garb and a rucksack boarded the train and then fished out the Koran to read whilst standing right next to me, guess what thoughts were running through my head?  I didn’t move to the next carriage and I didn’t abuse him or give him filthy looks but I was apprehensive.  Is this completely irrational of me?

[faithlilly]

Because people from Eastern Europe or the Caribbean are not on a supposedly God given mission to convert us to their religions, laws, culture and customs.  Because people from Eastern Europe or the Caribbean don’t use their religion as an excuse to attack random strangers on London pavements with machetes.   Of course the majority of Muslims don’t do these things either, but unfortunately for them some of their more extreme brethren do, and this makes people wary and suspicious of the whole group.  Now, I consider myself a reasonable, rational person who is not a terrible racist but when I was stood on a London tube train and a young Muslim man in religious garb and a rucksack boarded the train and then fished out the Koran to read whilst standing right next to me, guess what thoughts were running through my head?  I didn’t move to the next carriage and I didn’t abuse him or give him filthy looks but I was apprehensive.  Is this completely irrational of me?

Absolutely irrational. Can I ask if, in the 70s, you felt nervous standing next to a gentleman from NI ? TBH you’re probably more endanger from some poor soul with schizophrenia not having the support they need than some machete welding terrorist. And I suppose the fact that the fastest growing terrorist threat in this country is from the far right doesn’t assuage you of your mindset....perhaps because you’re less likely to be a victim ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/19/fastest-growing-uk-terrorist-threat-is-from-far-right-say-police

[faithlilly]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/17/no-10-refuses-to-comment-on-pms-views-of-racial-iq

[Vertigo Swirl]

Absolutely irrational. Can I ask if, in the 70s, you felt nervous standing next to a gentleman from NI ? TBH you’re probably more endanger from some poor soul with schizophrenia not having the support they need than some machete welding terrorist. And I suppose the fact that the fastest growing terrorist threat in this country is from the far right doesn’t assuage you of your mindset....perhaps because you’re less likely to be a victim ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/19/fastest-growing-uk-terrorist-threat-is-from-far-right-say-police

Well it seems I was not alone
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4717251.stm
Would it be irrational of the same Muslim fellow I described to be apprehensive of a man on the same carriage with a skinhead and an EDL tattoo?

[Vertigo Swirl]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/17/no-10-refuses-to-comment-on-pms-views-of-racial-iq

When the press go after Corbyn you find it a disgrace and symptomatic of the right wing media’s bias.  Now they are going for Boris, you seem to be all in favour of the guilt by association style reportage.  Strange isn’t it? 

[Vertigo Swirl]

BTW, you seem to be rather obsessed with comparing people with Nazis, have you noticed?

[faithlilly]

Well it seems I was not alone
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4717251.stm
Would it be irrational of the same Muslim fellow I described to be apprehensive of a man on the same carriage with a skinhead and an EDL tattoo?

Both would be irrational however an EDL tattoo does suggest the man is a racist, reading the Koran doesn’t make the Muslim man a terrorist.

And I didn’t need a BBC headline to tell me your not alone in stereotyping Muslims, unfortunately.

[faithlilly]

When the press go after Corbyn you find it a disgrace and symptomatic of the right wing media’s bias.  Now they are going for Boris, you seem to be all in favour of the guilt by association style reportage.  Strange isn’t it?

Then Johnson needs to make his feelings clear re his advisor’s comments then there would be no chance of ambiguity.

[faithlilly]

BTW, you seem to be rather obsessed with comparing people with Nazis, have you noticed?

If the cap fits.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Both would be irrational however an EDL tattoo does suggest the man is a racist, reading the Koran doesn’t make the Muslim man a terrorist.

And I didn’t need a BBC headline to tell me your not alone in stereotyping Muslims, unfortunately.

It’s perfectly understandable in the circs, and anyone claiming that such thoughts would never enter their mind in such a situation  is lying imo.  People are only human and it is only human to be wary of other humans who may possibly prove a threat in some way.  I used to be apprehensive of lone men walking behind me late night on the way home too.  I suppose that was completely irrational and sexist of me!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Then Johnson needs to make his feelings clear re his advisor’s comments then there would be no chance of ambiguity.

And when he makes it clear that he does not support these views (as he invariably will have to) that will be the end of it as far as you’re concerned will it?  LOL.

[faithlilly]

It’s perfectly understandable in the circs, and anyone claiming that such thoughts would never enter their mind in such a situation  is lying imo.  People are only human and it is only human to be wary of other humans who may possibly prove a threat in some way.  I used to be apprehensive of lone men walking behind me late night on the way home too.  I suppose that was completely irrational and sexist of me!

It was irrational however keenly felt.

[faithlilly]

And when he makes it clear that he does not support these views (as he invariably will have to) that will be the end of it as far as you’re concerned will it?  LOL.

Let’s see what happens shall we ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was irrational however keenly felt.

IYO.

[faithlilly]

IYO.

I think it’s just common sense. The man, in all likelihood was going to attack you just like the young man reading the Koran wasn’t a terrorist. In fact people are more likely to be crushed by their own furniture than be killed by a terrorist.