Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think it’s just common sense. The man, in all likelihood was going to attack you just like the young man reading the Koran wasn’t a terrorist. In fact people are more likely to be crushed by their own furniture than be killed by a terrorist.

Eh?  The man didn’t attack me, so was I wrong to quicken my step and clutch my keys in my hand as a weapon, just in case?
Are you seriously trying to tell me you have never been wary or apprehensive of a stranger based purely on their appearance, actions, utterances or what they were carrying?   

[faithlilly]

Eh?  The man didn’t attack me, so was I wrong to quicken my step and clutch my keys in my hand as a weapon, just in case?
Are you seriously trying to tell me you have never been wary or apprehensive of a stranger based purely on their appearance, actions, utterances or what they were carrying?

I’m telling you that it’s irrational to fear someone simply on appearance etc, etc, etc.

Can I ask, during the IRA bombing campaign did you fear everyone with an northern Irish accent ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I’m telling you that it’s irrational to fear someone simply on appearance etc, etc, etc.

Can I ask, during the IRA bombing campaign did you fear everyone with an northern Irish accent ?

I once had to stay in the most bombed hotel in Europe, in Belfast once (in the early 90s) and I was certainly apprehensive about that.  The irony about all this is, that despite my apprehension (fear is too strong a word) I obviously preferred to be blown up than make a fuss or to appear unfriendly or racist.  In otherwords I was more fearful of being seen as a racist than I was of losing my life in a terrorist atrocity but nothing can legislate against the thoughts that went through my head which were quite understandable imo.  We make value judgements based on appearance  or behaviour  all the time, it’s human nature and you cannot say it is always irrational because sometimes it may be perfectly rational, theres no way of knowing in advance though, is there?

[faithlilly]

I once had to stay in the most bombed hotel in Europe, in Belfast once (in the early 90s) and I was certainly apprehensive about that.  The irony about all this is, that despite my apprehension (fear is too strong a word) I obviously preferred to be blown up than make a fuss or to appear unfriendly or racist.  In otherwords I was more fearful of being seen as a racist than I was of losing my life in a terrorist atrocity but nothing can legislate against the thoughts that went through my head which were quite understandable imo.  We make value judgements based on appearance  or behaviour  all the time, it’s human nature and you cannot say it is always irrational because sometimes it may be perfectly rational, theres no way of knowing in advance though, is there?

All very interesting but you haven’t quite answered my question. In the 70s during the IRA bombing campaign did you fell apprehensive when hearing a northern Irish accent ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

All very interesting but you haven’t quite answered my question. In the 70s during the IRA bombing campaign did you fell apprehensive when hearing a northern Irish accent ?

I honestly never encountered a Northern Irish person in the 70s and would have been too young to mind if I had.  Now how about addressing some of my points? 

[Erngath]

I don't remember any IRA suicide bombers?

I'm sure the fact that many of these atrocities are carried out  by Muslim suicide bombers , willing to die themselves, does rather increase the fear and apprehension of the public.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't remember any IRA suicide bombers?

I'm sure the fact that many of these atrocities are carried out  by Muslim suicide bombers , willing to die themselves, does rather increase the fear and apprehension of the public.

Exactly!

[faithlilly]

I don't remember any IRA suicide bombers?

I'm sure the fact that many of these atrocities are carried out  by Muslim suicide bombers , willing to die themselves, does rather increase the fear and apprehension of the public.

I’m sure that the distinction would be lost on the families who lost loved ones in the troubles.

I’m not sure why a bomb which the bomber detonates from miles away is any different to a suicide bomber....they both kill. Could you explain please ?

[faithlilly]

Exactly!

Read my reply....perhaps you’d like to answer ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I’m sure that the distinction would be lost on the families who lost loved ones in the troubles.

I’m not sure why a bomb which the bomber detonates from miles away is any different to a suicide bomber....they both kill. Could you explain please ?

do you really need it explaining?!

[faithlilly]

do you really need it explaining?!

I’m afraid I do.

[faithlilly]

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[Vertigo Swirl]

I’m afraid I do.

Oh dear, I am amazed you can’t see the difference.  If IRA terrorists are unlikely to blow themselves up on a tube train then standing next to someone with an Irish accent on the tube is unlikely to give one pause for concern for one’s immediate safety.  We do know however that Muslim terrorists frequently detonate themselves in their mission to take the lives of others and so therefore standing next to a mullah with a backpack clutching the Koran presents more of a concern.  Get it now?

[faithlilly]

Oh dear, I am amazed you can’t see the difference.  If IRA terrorists are unlikely to blow themselves up on a tube train then standing next to someone with an Irish accent on the tube is unlikely to give one pause for concern for one’s immediate safety.  We do know however that Muslim terrorists frequently detonate themselves in their mission to take the lives of others and so therefore standing next to a mullah with a backpack clutching the Koran presents more of a concern.  Get it now?

No IRA operatives demoted bombs from a distance that killed hundreds of people. In the 70s while standing on a tube you were just as likely to be in mortal danger from a planted bomb than a Muslim standing next to you yet you don’t taint all Irish people as terrorists. In fact in the 70s you were probably more in danger of a terrorist attack than now.
Anyhow I suppose your thinking on this matter shouldn’t come as surprise as you appear to view the Portuguese in the stereotypical fashion....the Mail has a lot to answer for.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No IRA operatives demoted bombs from a distance that killed hundreds of people. In the 70s while standing on a tube you were just as likely to be in mortal danger from a planted bomb than a Muslim standing next to you yet you don’t taint all Irish people as terrorists. In fact in the 70s you were probably more in danger of a terrorist attack than now.
Anyhow I suppose your thinking on this matter shouldn’t come as surprise as you appear to view the Portuguese in the stereotypical fashion....the Mail has a lot to answer for.

you have completely moved the goalposts of your argument (not surprise there).  You asked if I would be fearful of someone with a north Irish accent.  Please explain why being in close proximity to someone with a North Irish accent should cause me to be concerned for my immediate safety in the way that standing next to a mullah with a rucksack and a Koran might?  I predict You will not be able to answer this question and will instead flim-flam and deflect.  Also, fyi I do not taint all Muslims as terrorists as you seem to be implying.

ETA: What Portuguese stereotypes have I referred to?