Social Media Commentary Re JB And His Case

[Holly Goodhead]

I didn't mean Vanezis commented on those 3 points.

So we go back to the conspiracy theories again, when something cannot be explained away. It appears the only way to free Bamber is to suggest incompetence, lies and corruption every step of the way. Yesterday it was suggested central government were in on the conspiracy by infiltrating the campaign team.

What conspiracy theories are you referring to?

I jested about the Campaign Team being gov stooges as they're so ineffective - we do tolerate humour Steve 

[steve_trousers]

What conspiracy theories are you referring to?

I jested about the Campaign Team being gov stooges as they're so ineffective - we do tolerate humour Steve 

It appeared you were being deadly serious at the time. However I am sorry if I missed that and I now chuckle at your joke.

[Holly Goodhead]

It appeared you were being deadly serious at the time. However I am sorry if I missed that and I now chuckle at your joke.

A misunderstanding but thanks for the apology. I'm never deadly serious as far as the so-called Campsign Team go.  I lost any respect for it after the 'bake-off' and 'graveside reading'.

[Nicholas]

White House Farm highlights the *other* crime taking place

“Jeremy Bamber was not involved in the making of White House Farm and he has branded it a disgrace. But in the series, which is "based on extensive research, interviews and published accounts", what we get is a portrait of coercive control.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a30712041/white-house-farm-tv-murders-julie-mugford/

Jeremy Bamber 'used sex' to keep girlfriend 'under his spell' before gruesome murders

“But Bamber's supporters are still trying to discredit her second statement, claiming she as "bitter" and changed her story out of revenge.

However, Julie has never changed her belief that Bamber is guilty of the horrific crimes that saw him shoot parents, Nevill and June, sister, Sheila, and his two young nephews, Nicholas and Daniel, in his childhood home.

But how was the killer able to hide his crimes from the woman he was so close to she supported her sobbing boyfriend on the day of the funerals?

In an interview with the News Of The World after Bamber's conviction, Julie says she was "under his spell".

She added: "Jeremy completely swept me off my feet. He was a skilful lover. He taught me how to enjoy sex in a way I never had before.

"I did everything for him. As long as he was happy, I was happy. I gave everything to him, including myself. He knew I was under his spell. But he reckoned without my conscience."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jeremy-bamber-used-sex-keep-21476739

I have read both this and the blue forum for sometime and with the utmost respect, many of those on both forums have formed opinions on Jeremy as regards his innocence/guilt and what type of person he is.  Many have never written, spoken to or met him.  This is why I have decided to share with you the friendship I have had with Jeremy for almost three years.  He was, I thought one of my dearest and closest friends but I seriously misjudged this man.  This will probably be a long post so I will do it in chunks so you don't get bored!
I started writing to Jeremy sometime ago after reading new information about the case and feeling that all didn't seem right.  I live not far from Essex so have always read about his case in the local papers.  I very soon became involved in the Campaign and typed some of the documents for his last CCRC submissions.  I have also done all I can to ask those in power to listen and have written to my MP,  the Prime Minister,the MOJ, the Home Secretary, CPS, IPCC etc.  I have had conversations with officials at the CCRC and also exchanged emails and spoken on the phone to Professional Standards at Essex Police. I also phoned some of the scientists who examined the sound moderator who were very pleasant towards me but adament they had come to the right conclusion. The Campaign Team told me that I was getting more results and responses than themselves.  When the Campaign mysteriously closed down for a while, I never heard from them again and my emails went unanswered. 

Jeremy and I spoke on the phone two or three times a week and I sent him a generous monthly allowance.  We shared our hopes and dreams and I always told him he was an extended part of my family.  I just wanted him to feel that he belonged and I told him I would always support him no matter what.  He always told me I was one of his closest friends and one of the only people he could trust.  When I went on holiday, he made me promise to email him, he always phoned me on Christmas day and I truly believed our friendship was genuine.  I continued to do whatever I could to help him, even tracking down a retired senior Essex Police Officer for his help which he initially said he would do, then asked me never to contact him again!  Jeremy has sent me many documents which have never been in the public domain but I can say that none of them absolutely proved his innocence. There is one though, which indicates that there MAY have been life inside the house while Jeremy was outside but that needs investigating further.
Jeremy is witty, makes me laugh and usually cheeful in spite of the conditions he lives under.  I discovered though that he has a dark side.  He was often very evasive when I asked him questions about the case and if I ever disagreed with a piece of evidence or events, he would turn on me and shout and swear.  He told me lots of lies and in the end I took everything he said with a pinch of salt.  On my birthday last year, he sent me a lovely card telling me what a special friend I was and he promised to be with me to celebrate in 2014.  Then things changed drasticall between us. . . . . . . .

In September he phoned me and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to pay for the new forensics tests.  He demanded I send him £4,000.  Before answering "no" I asked him who the scientists were as I wanted to check out their credentials.  He told me to mind my own business and just pay up.  He said if I didn't have the funds available then I should take out a bank loan.  He was very threatening and abusive.  When I started getting upset he shouted at me "stop playing the F*****ng victim."  I was so worried and concerned, I phoned the prison and discussed this call.  For anyone out there who thinks I may be telling lies, the prison confirmed that this call was recorded and retained so I have the proof.
I had already arranged a visit for October and went as planned and intended to discuss this matter with him.  He was quite unpleasant and told me he had never liked me and would never want me as a friend, along with other very hurtful remarks.  He told me himself that he had sacked Simon McKay.  I tried to talk some sense into him but he said "everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them".   That appears to have been a lie as Simon claims to still be working for him.  I now realise I was there purely for the money.  I didn't turn up for the afternoon visit.
Back home, I wrote to Jeremy telling him how devastated I was that our friendship was a complete farce on his behalf and I was heartbroken that I was forced to walk away from him.  I have given him three months to reply and all I wanted was an apology and an explanation as to why he had lied to me for three years, pretending he was my friend.  This is why I have decided to tell my story as I don't want anyone else to be hurt by Jeremy.  I feel so guilty abandoning him but what choice did I have?  Andrea and Goatboy have got it absolutely spot on when they say Jeremy uses and abuses friends and then tosses them aside.  I feel desperately sorry for him.

I hear what you are saying Holly but there is a difference between offloading on friends and being controlling, manipulative and abusive.  No one treats their friends like that.  This is certainly not the way to behave if you claim to be a MOJ.  Jeremy comes from a decent family and had an excellent education and should have been taught basic manners.
Also you say you would never become involved with a person in his position.  Well, he is no different to the rest of us - he is just locked away.  If we didn't become emotionally involved with our friends then we would all be robots!

When we look back at his life before and shortly after the murders he was described as arrogant and controlling.  It seems he hasn't changed and is losing friends left right and centre. I have been to the highest level and take it from me MOJ or not, Jeremy is never ever going to be released.

Many of Daisy’s posts on Bamber could be suggestive of ‘coercive control’ which became a crime in 2015 https://rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-information/violence-against-women-and-international-law/coercive-control-and-the-law/

Although Daisy claims she reported Bamber to the prison before this date the prison should have recorded this on his security file

[Nicholas]

My reason for writing to Jeremy initially was that the Government appointed an adoption czar and compiled a report which was published in The Times entitled 'Narey Report'.  I disagreed with most of it and wrote to the individuals concerned airing my views as an adoptee.  I made reference to the Bamber family in terms of the fact that the mother (June) was mentally ill as a result of adopting her daughter (Sheila).  Sheila developed mental illness and the adopted son (Jeremy) is serving life for murdering 5 members of his adoptive family.  I believe at the heart of this tragic case is an adoption that went awry.  I wanted Jeremy's views on the matter.

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What were his views Holly?

And did you see Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstones article in the Guardian (Aug 2015) headed,

‘G4S paid author of 'independent' youth prison report as consultant’


‘A former prisons chief who wrote a glowing “independent” report about a controversial youth offender unit run by G4S had previously been paid thousands of pounds as a consultant for the private security firm, the Guardian has learned.

Sir Martin Narey, former director general of the prison service, published a report in July on Rainsbrook secure training centre in which he wrote that “very challenging children” were treated “overwhelmingly well”. He concluded: “My test in visiting places of custody for over 30 years is to reflect about how I’d feel if my son or daughter were incarcerated there. In Rainsbrook’s case, I would consider him or she to be safe and to be generally well treated.”

Narey’s verdict was delivered months after a joint report by Ofsted, the Care Quality Commission and the chief inspector of prisons in May into the centre condemned it for a series of failings . It pointed to the dismissal of six members of staff after a series of incidents of gross misconduct, staff who were on drugs on duty, and others who had behaved “extremely inappropriately” with young people, causing distress and humiliation.

Ofsted inspectors, who visited Rainsbrook in February, also revealed that a child who suffered a fracture, possibly as a result of being restrained, did not receive treatment for 15 hours because senior staff overruled clear clinical advice that he needed treatment.

The Ofsted report rated Rainsbrook “inadequate”– the lowest grading, prompting Frances Crook, the chief executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform, to call it the “the worst report on a prison I have ever seen” and the Association of Youth Offending Team Managers to demand that the Youth Justice Board (YJB) cease placing children there.

Narey’s subsequent report, which appeared to show significant improvement at the unit, was referred to as an “independent report” on the YJB website despite Narey’s admission within the background notes that: “Since 2012, I have offered occasional advice to G4S on their care and custody of children.”

In fact, he has been a paid consultant for G4S for three years and in 2014 was paid more than £10,000 by the company. Narey was also paid to advise G4S on bidding for renewal of its contract to run Rainsbrook in 2016.

When approached by the Guardian, Narey confirmed he had been employed by G4S as a consultant until the end of the last financial year and that he agreed to offer an independent view of Rainsbrook as a one-off piece of work.

“My past financial relationship with G4S is made explicit in my report,” Narey said. “G4S will pay for that review although my report was written primarily for the YJB and the secretary of state.”

Asked if he had been part of the G4S bid team to run Rainsbrook for another seven years – a contract that is worth £92m –Narey said he advised the team on how their plans for Rainsbrook might be more child-friendly and how access to, and success in, education might be increased.

“I realised I would be criticised for defending G4S, as people have suggested my reputation is damaged,” Narey told the Guardian. “Life would have been easier if I had not agreed to do this report,” he said, but, he added, he saw a centre that “was not all perfect, but very good, very caring in fact” and that if he had found Rainsbrook to be unsafe, he would have said so “very loudly”. He also criticised the earlier Ofsted report into Rainsbrook, saying: “Ofsted are independent but not omniscient and their conclusions are misconceived.”
More here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/05/g4s-paid-martin-narey-independent-youth-prison-report-consultant

[Nicholas]

Jeremy Bamber
@JBamberFacebook
4h
#WhiteHouseFarm The jury questioned the motives of Robert Boutflour in his evidence against #JeremyBamber as they obviously doubted the integrity of the wider family!!

@jbcampaignltd
@FreeBamberNow
@Bambertweets
https://mobile.twitter.com/JBamberFacebook/status/1228230203488366593

What this shows is that the jury, whether or not they ‘doubted the integrity of the wider family’ were thorough

[Nicholas]

The CT via twitter are still attempting to get people to sign a pointless petition

They’ve tweeted a comment supposedly by someone who’s recently signed,

"I am uneasy about this conviction on the grounds that the police were severely lacking in their duty. The way the case was handled was downright mind boggling.."

The police weren’t ‘severely lacking in their duty’ they were clearly ‘duped’ by Bamber (excluding Stan Jones,Bob Miller, Micky Barlow, Chris Bews and probably a few others.)

They are also now quoting ‘Mahatma Gandhi’ -

“There is a higher court than courts of justice and that is the court of conscience. It supercedes all other courts."

[Myster]

The CT via twitter are still attempting to get people to sign a pointless petition

They’ve tweeted a comment supposedly by someone who’s recently signed,

"I am uneasy about this conviction on the grounds that the police were severely lacking in their duty. The way the case was handled was downright mind boggling.."

The police weren’t ‘severely lacking in their duty’ they were clearly ‘duped’ by Bamber (excluding Stan Jones)

They are also now quoting ‘Mahatma Gandhi’ -

“There is a higher court than courts of justice and that is the court of conscience. It supercedes all other courts."

... Bob Miller, Micky Barlow, Chris Bews and probably a few others.

[Nicholas]

... Bob Miller, Micky Barlow, Chris Bews and probably a few others.

Have edited my post according

[Caroline]

They are also now quoting ‘Mahatma Gandhi’ -

“There is a higher court than courts of justice and that is the court of conscience. It supercedes all other courts."

Oh the irony!

[Nicholas]

Jeremy Bamber
@JBamberFacebook
Replying to
@GoldenGuineaPig
@Bambertweets
 and 2 others
The 5 officers who entered initially wore helmets, had loud radio transmissions going on, were moving from room to room,  and the gun when fired was only as audible as a handclap.
3:22 PM · Feb 18, 2020·Twitter for Android
https://mobile.twitter.com/JBamberFacebook/status/1229788234697277446

[Caroline]

Jeremy Bamber
@JBamberFacebook
Replying to
@GoldenGuineaPig
@Bambertweets
 and 2 others
The 5 officers who entered initially wore helmets, had loud radio transmissions going on, were moving from room to room,  and the gun when fired was only as audible as a handclap.
3:22 PM · Feb 18, 2020·Twitter for Android
https://mobile.twitter.com/JBamberFacebook/status/1229788234697277446

Do they honestly think that no one has hear a .22 rifle being fired? 

[Nicholas]

JBtruth
@BtruthJ
Replying to
@bambermurder
 and
@YouCommon
I never grew up in a quiet rural Essex village in the 70s/80s. So whether it was common or not to call the local police back then I don't know. It sounds crazy in a modern context I agree. But this happened in a different time. 999 had only gone nationwide in 1976.
5:28 PM · Feb 18, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://mobile.twitter.com/bambermurder/status/1229817382056681479

[steve_trousers]

and the gun when fired was only as audible as a handclap

Hilarious, another one for the scrap book. It's really embarrassing for them, toe-curling. Jeremy must surely know the games up with coco the clown and friends for campaigners.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Seriously? so the conspiracy to keep Jeremy locked up has now gone beyond Essex Police, the Judiciary and the surviving relatives to include the government as well?

Oh, it goes further than that

Margaret Thatcher, President Gorbachev, Ronald Reagan....they all had it in for Jem !