When Madeleine is Found.

[G-Unit]

And it hasnt been proven not libellous. Why do you think no UK publisher would touch it...because its lbellous per se.

the ECHR will be the final arbiter for the countries who are party to the Declaartion of Human Rights

There's no need to prove something isn't libelous, the onus is upon the complainant to prove it is. The ECHR doesn't rule on libel, it rules on human rights.

[Mr Gray]

There's no need to prove something isn't libelous, the onus is upon the complainant to prove it is. The ECHR doesn't rule on libel, it rules on human rights.

article 8 includes right to reputation...libel...stand corrected

[G-Unit]

article 8 includes right to reputation...libel...stand corrected

Article 8 is not absolute, unlike some other human rights such as Article 3, the right to freedom from torture. The right to a private and family life must be balanced against other factors such as freedom of expression.

[Mr Gray]

Article 8 is not absolute, unlike some other human rights such as Article 3, the right to freedom from torture. The right to a private and family life must be balanced against other factors such as freedom of expression.

So you now accept you were wrong and that the ECHR does rule on libel/right to reputation

[G-Unit]

So you now accept you were wrong and that the ECHR does rule on libel/right to reputation

Yes it does.

[Mr Gray]

Yes it does.

Quote from: G-Unit on March 07, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
There's no need to prove something isn't libelous, the onus is upon the complainant to prove it is. The ECHR doesn't rule on libel, it rules on human rights.

so I dont think im right....I am right

[G-Unit]

Quote from: G-Unit on March 07, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
There's no need to prove something isn't libelous, the onus is upon the complainant to prove it is. The ECHR doesn't rule on libel, it rules on human rights.

so I dont think im right....I am right

Are you gloating by any chance?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Are you gloating by any chance?

a little reminder of the action the McCanns took against Amaral/book.

The  McCanns did not sue for libel. So the ECHR will not be able to rule on that.

 Their claim was based on the book stopping people from searching for their daughter- they also were seeking compensation for themselves, their three children- even though one  of them could have been dead.

The SC ruled that Amaral had freedom of expression to write the book, which was based on the theory discussed/believed by those investigating MBM's disappearance at that time.  The McCanns failed to prove that Amarals book did cause the harm they claimed.

There was no question of compensation being offered to the parents as they had no evidence to back up their claims, and the babies were too young to know pain about an 'abducted daughter'.

[Lace]

a little reminder of the action the McCanns took against Amaral/book.

The  McCanns did not sue for libel. So the ECHR will not be able to rule on that.

 Their claim was based on the book stopping people from searching for their daughter- they also were seeking compensation for themselves, their three children- even though one  of them could have been dead.

The SC ruled that Amaral had freedom of expression to write the book, which was based on the theory discussed/believed by those investigating MBM's disappearance at that time.  The McCanns failed to prove that Amarals book did cause the harm they claimed.

There was no question of compensation being offered to the parents as they had no evidence to back up their claims, and the babies were too young to know pain about an 'abducted daughter'.

I doubt if his theory was believed by all of those investigating MBM's disappearance at that time.   He had a rant about what was wanted to be investigated which was abduction.  Why do you think he was taken off the case.  He says they only wanted to follow what the McCann's believed, which was abduction.  I think  it is ridiculous to imagine that the McCann's were dictating  what the Police wanted to pursue.

The twins would have been missing their big sister there is no doubt about it,  it must have made them sad not to see her and to think a bad man had taken her.   Sean even said when he grew up he would help search for the man to took his sister.   Don't underestimate what young children feel.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I doubt if his theory was believed by all of those investigating MBM's disappearance at that time.   He had a rant about what was wanted to be investigated which was abduction.  Why do you think he was taken off the case.  He says they only wanted to follow what the McCann's believed, which was abduction.  I think  it is ridiculous to imagine that the McCann's were dictating  what the Police wanted to pursue.

The twins would have been missing their big sister there is no doubt about it,  it must have made them sad not to see her and to think a bad man had taken her.   Sean even said when he grew up he would help search for the man to took his sister.   Don't underestimate what young children feel.

The McCanns did only want abduction to be the only investigation- they claimed via 'friends' on TV that no one was searching for their daughter only them all alone out searching?  total lies ofcourse.

The story they gave was not believed due to the fact that there was no recorded gusts of wind which would blow doors shut, as a window was opened, and shutters were seen to be untouched. There was NO EVIDENCE of an intruder! It was a sketchy story to be fair. They categorically denied that their daughter could have left the apartment by herself via the unlocked door- they also claim they were not there when she disappeared so how would they know? and then we have Kate with her 'I know what happened'

The children must have been terrified to be told a bad man came and took Maddie.  I am sure Sean will be aware now that the parents went out eating and drinking every night and left them alone and defenceless- hence the opportunity for MBM to disappear.

[Lace]

The McCanns did only want abduction to be the only investigation- they claimed via 'friends' on TV that no one was searching for their daughter only them all alone out searching?  total lies ofcourse.

The story they gave was not believed due to the fact that there was no recorded gusts of wind which would blow doors shut, as a window was opened, and shutters were seen to be untouched. There was NO EVIDENCE of an intruder! It was a sketchy story to be fair. They categorically denied that their daughter could have left the apartment by herself via the unlocked door- they also claim they were not there when she disappeared so how would they know? and then we have Kate with her 'I know what happened'

The children must have been terrified to be told a bad man came and took Maddie.  I am sure Sean will be aware now that the parents went out eating and drinking every night and left them alone and defenceless- hence the opportunity for MBM to disappear.

I would say abduction too if I had found the window open, my child missing and not found.  So in a similar situation you wouldn't think someone had come into the apartment and taken your child, even though a window in your child's bedroom that had always remained closed had been open?   I doubt that.

The McCann's said that it was quiet and it 'seemed' as though they were the only ones searching,   get it right.

The McCann's would know how their child would behave and I too cannot imagine a child of almost four,  pulling the curtains back from the patio door and closing them again,  closing the patio door behind her,  opening the child gate at the top of the steps,  turning around in the dark and closing it behind her then opening the gate at the bottom of the steps and closing that behind her too.

How as it been proven it was not windy on the night of the 3rd of May?  You weren't there!! 

The McCann's were given advice about how to answer the twins questions,  so your 'the twins must have been terrified'  is rubbish.   They were told that someone had taken Madeleine,  they knew it was wrong to take something that wasn't theirs and they accepted it.  People know how to approach these things MTI  better than you do.

I am sure that Sean has grown into an intelligent boy and would know that his parents didn't want anything to happen to them when they were left,  that they love them and regret what they did. 

[Miss Taken Identity]

I would say abduction too if I had found the window open, my child missing and not found.  So in a similar situation you wouldn't think someone had come into the apartment and taken your child, even though a window in your child's bedroom that had always remained closed had been open?   I doubt that.

The McCann's said that it was quiet and it 'seemed' as though they were the only ones searching,   get it right.

The McCann's would know how their child would behave and I too cannot imagine a child of almost four,  pulling the curtains back from the patio door and closing them again,  closing the patio door behind her,  opening the child gate at the top of the steps,  turning around in the dark and closing it behind her then opening the gate at the bottom of the steps and closing that behind her too.

How as it been proven it was not windy on the night of the 3rd of May?  You weren't there!! 

The McCann's were given advice about how to answer the twins questions,  so your 'the twins must have been terrified'  is rubbish.   They were told that someone had taken Madeleine,  they knew it was wrong to take something that wasn't theirs and they accepted it.  People know how to approach these things MTI  better than you do.

I am sure that Sean has grown into an intelligent boy and would know that his parents didn't want anything to happen to them when they were left,  that they love them and regret what they did.

I would say abduction too if I had found the window open, my child missing and not found.  So in a similar situation you wouldn't think someone had come into the apartment and taken your child, even though a window in your child's bedroom that had always remained closed had been open?   I doubt that.
You are assuming a great deal here- there are no witnesses to an open window- only Kate say so- the same Kate who knew she left a door unlocked in case her daughter needed to get to her

The McCann's said that it was quiet and it 'seemed' as though they were the only ones searching,   get it right.
Got it right- saw the news - watched the videos it is on many threads here So I don't need reminding

The McCann's would know how their child would behave and I too cannot imagine a child of almost four,  pulling the curtains back from the patio door and closing them again,  closing the patio door behind her,  opening the child gate at the top of the steps,  turning around in the dark and closing it behind her then opening the gate at the bottom of the steps and closing that behind her too.

Really? but that is why they left the door unlocked how stupid of them not to take account of all that palaver their daughter would have to go through to get help- if the siblings woke up

How as it been proven it was not windy on the night of the 3rd of May?  You weren't there!!

I most certainly was not there, however the police were, they live in that country/town, so if they know it wasn;t windy well... 

The McCann's were given advice about how to answer the twins questions,  so your 'the twins must have been terrified'  is rubbish.  They were told that someone had taken Madeleine,  they knew it was wrong to take something that wasn't theirs and they accepted it.  People know how to approach these things MTI  better than you do.

They were told a bad man had taken  Madeleine,  tough little cookies if they were not in the least bothered... unaffected? really? OK if the McCanns say so  and you believe them-that is fine by me.



I am sure that Sean has grown into an intelligent boy and would know that his parents didn't want anything to happen to them when they were left,  that they love them and regret what they did.

Your assurance has absolutely no credibility- you have no idea how the twins are feeling now or their intelligence levels.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

He has as much right to promote his theory as the McCanns promoted theirs. IMO. 

I, on a personal level, do not chose to believe the parents drugged MBM and murdered her- I also  don't believe she was abducted from the apartment as described by the parents.

This is only a belief. Both could have happened. I will stick to my I DON'T KNOW what happened.

Hi Miss Taken, if you don’t believe Madeleine was drugged/murdered by her parents’, and you don’t believe she was abducted, either  — what do you think happened to her?

How did she just vanish?

[Mr Gray]

I would say abduction too if I had found the window open, my child missing and not found.  So in a similar situation you wouldn't think someone had come into the apartment and taken your child, even though a window in your child's bedroom that had always remained closed had been open?   I doubt that.
You are assuming a great deal here- there are no witnesses to an open window- only Kate say so- the same Kate who knew she left a door unlocked in case her daughter needed to get to her

The McCann's said that it was quiet and it 'seemed' as though they were the only ones searching,   get it right.
Got it right- saw the news - watched the videos it is on many threads here So I don't need reminding

The McCann's would know how their child would behave and I too cannot imagine a child of almost four,  pulling the curtains back from the patio door and closing them again,  closing the patio door behind her,  opening the child gate at the top of the steps,  turning around in the dark and closing it behind her then opening the gate at the bottom of the steps and closing that behind her too.

Really? but that is why they left the door unlocked how stupid of them not to take account of all that palaver their daughter would have to go through to get help- if the siblings woke up

How as it been proven it was not windy on the night of the 3rd of May?  You weren't there!!

I most certainly was not there, however the police were, they live in that country/town, so if they know it wasn;t windy well... 

The McCann's were given advice about how to answer the twins questions,  so your 'the twins must have been terrified'  is rubbish.  They were told that someone had taken Madeleine,  they knew it was wrong to take something that wasn't theirs and they accepted it.  People know how to approach these things MTI  better than you do.

They were told a bad man had taken  Madeleine,  tough little cookies if they were not in the least bothered... unaffected? really? OK if the McCanns say so  and you believe them-that is fine by me.



I am sure that Sean has grown into an intelligent boy and would know that his parents didn't want anything to happen to them when they were left,  that they love them and regret what they did.

Your assurance has absolutely no credibility- you have no idea how the twins are feeling now or their intelligence levels.

What makes you think your post has any credibility...from a poster who is impressed by a quack who claims to be able to see into the future...what do you think that says for your credibility. Peerhaps you should find her and ask her what happened to Maddie

[Lace]

I would say abduction too if I had found the window open, my child missing and not found.  So in a similar situation you wouldn't think someone had come into the apartment and taken your child, even though a window in your child's bedroom that had always remained closed had been open?   I doubt that.
You are assuming a great deal here- there are no witnesses to an open window- only Kate say so- the same Kate who knew she left a door unlocked in case her daughter needed to get to her

The McCann's said that it was quiet and it 'seemed' as though they were the only ones searching,   get it right.
Got it right- saw the news - watched the videos it is on many threads here So I don't need reminding

The McCann's would know how their child would behave and I too cannot imagine a child of almost four,  pulling the curtains back from the patio door and closing them again,  closing the patio door behind her,  opening the child gate at the top of the steps,  turning around in the dark and closing it behind her then opening the gate at the bottom of the steps and closing that behind her too.

Really? but that is why they left the door unlocked how stupid of them not to take account of all that palaver their daughter would have to go through to get help- if the siblings woke up

How as it been proven it was not windy on the night of the 3rd of May?  You weren't there!!

I most certainly was not there, however the police were, they live in that country/town, so if they know it wasn;t windy well... 

The McCann's were given advice about how to answer the twins questions,  so your 'the twins must have been terrified'  is rubbish.  They were told that someone had taken Madeleine,  they knew it was wrong to take something that wasn't theirs and they accepted it.  People know how to approach these things MTI  better than you do.

They were told a bad man had taken  Madeleine,  tough little cookies if they were not in the least bothered... unaffected? really? OK if the McCanns say so  and you believe them-that is fine by me.



I am sure that Sean has grown into an intelligent boy and would know that his parents didn't want anything to happen to them when they were left,  that they love them and regret what they did.

Your assurance has absolutely no credibility- you have no idea how the twins are feeling now or their intelligence levels.

Can I have a quote from a Police Officer saying it wasn't windy on the night of the 3rd of May please.

You say -  you have no idea how the twins are feeling now or intelligence levels unquote.   Neither do you,  so your post saying the twins must have been terrified to hear a bad man had taken Madeleine can be taken with a pinch of salt.   I do know that the McCann's have said the twins took the information in and were reassured that people were searching for their sister.