The reports of a man seen walking with a child in his arms

[sika]

I'm even beginning to bore myself to death now, but I must ask this, just one more time!

Can ANYONE tell me, amongst the people that believe the McCanns are involved in Maddies disappearance, is there a commonly held theory, to explain the two seperate sightings of a man carrying a child.

[Eleanor]

I'm even beginning to bore myself to death now, but I must ask this, just one more time!

Can ANYONE tell me, amongst the people that believe the McCanns are involved in Maddies disappearance, is there a commonly held theory, to explain the two seperate sightings of a man carrying a child.

It wuz Gerry wot wuz doing it.  Despite evidence to the contrary.

[sika]

Situation normal then. If Anti McCanns are asked to defend their views away from their safe forum and blog citadels and with fair moderation, they run away.

At least we have demonstrated that clearly.

Would you kindly not make assumptions on those of us that have to work and cannot access the forum at your whim.

I most certailnly do not run away, though I have a volume of other stuff to do so  am here sporadically and with little time to post any more than comments like this.

HiDeHo, what are your views about the two sightings of man carrying child?

[faithlilly]

Hi Sika

I know it's not me you asked the question of but I will try to answer it, if you don't mind.

The first sighting by Jane Tanner simply could not have happened the way she describes. The pavement on which McCann and Wilkins were standing chatting  is simply too narrow for her to have passed by in the way she says. I know this as I have seen it myself. She also claims she had flip flops on that night which make a loud, sthwaking noise when walking which would have been easily heard by anyone standing near. Further she simply could not have been as precise with her descriptions of the colour of clothes of both the alleged abductor and the child under the sodium lights under which he allegedly walked and with such a fleeting glance. Tanner also describes the pattern on the child's pjs but fails to describe the eyeore motif which was much more prominent on the leg of the pjs and would have been seen easily. Further it is impossible to carry a child in the way described by Tanner and for the child's upper body not to be partly visible ( watch the McCann's own reconstruction in Madeleine Was Here to see this demonstrated ) but this is not what Tanner describes.

As to the Smith sighting of course Martin Smith and his wife are 60-80% sure that the man they saw on the 3rd of May carrying a child who fitted Madeleine's description was Gerry McCann and as there are no independent witnesses to his presence in the tapas bar at the relevant time  it remains a distinct possibility that the man saw by the Smiths was indeed Gerry McCann.

Hope this helps.

[debunker]

Hi Sika

I know it's not me you asked the question of but I will try to answer it, if you don't mind.

The first sighting by Jane Tanner simply could not have happened the way she describes. The pavement on which McCann and Wilkins were standing chatting  is simply too narrow for her to have passed by in the way she says. I know this as I have seen it myself. She also claims she had flip flops on that night which make a loud, sthwaking noise when walking which would have been easily heard by anyone standing near. Further she simply could not have been as precise with her descriptions of the colour of clothes of both the alleged abductor and the child under the sodium lights under which he allegedly walked and with such a fleeting glance. Tanner also describes the pattern on the child's pjs but fails to describe the eyeore motif which was much more prominent on the leg of the pjs and would have been seen easily. Further it is impossible to carry a child in the way described by Tanner and for the child's upper body not to be partly
visible ( watch the McCann's own reconstruction in Madeleine Was Here to see this demonstrated ) but this is not what Tanner describes.

As to the Smith sighting of course Martin Smith and his wife are 60-80% sure that the man they saw on the 3rd of May carrying a child who fitted Madeleine's description was Gerry McCann and as there are no independent witnesses to his presence in the tapas bar at the relevant time  it remains a distinct possibility that the man saw by the Smiths was indeed Gerry McCann.



Hope this helps.

DOes Mrs Smith still believe it was Gerry. Did she ever identify him.

[faithlilly]

Witnesses identification does not change with the passage of time so why would her opinion have changed ?

[sika]

Hi Sika

I know it's not me you asked the question of but I will try to answer it, if you don't mind.

The first sighting by Jane Tanner simply could not have happened the way she describes. The pavement on which McCann and Wilkins were standing chatting  is simply too narrow for her to have passed by in the way she says. I know this as I have seen it myself. She also claims she had flip flops on that night which make a loud, sthwaking noise when walking which would have been easily heard by anyone standing near. Further she simply could not have been as precise with her descriptions of the colour of clothes of both the alleged abductor and the child under the sodium lights under which he allegedly walked and with such a fleeting glance. Tanner also describes the pattern on the child's pjs but fails to describe the eyeore motif which was much more prominent on the leg of the pjs and would have been seen easily. Further it is impossible to carry a child in the way described by Tanner and for the child's upper body not to be partly visible ( watch the McCann's own reconstruction in Madeleine Was Here to see this demonstrated ) but this is not what Tanner describes.

As to the Smith sighting of course Martin Smith and his wife are 60-80% sure that the man they saw on the 3rd of May carrying a child who fitted Madeleine's description was Gerry McCann and as there are no independent witnesses to his presence in the tapas bar at the relevant time  it remains a distinct possibility that the man saw by the Smiths was indeed Gerry McCann.

Hope this helps.

Hi Faithlily, many thanks for taking the time to respond.
If the man seen by the Smiths WAS Gerry McCann, how many of the Tapas nine would have to have been covering up for the couple?

[John]

But why on earth would Gerry do such a thing when there were so many people milling around?  Logic dictates that if he had need to get rid of a body he would  have waited until the middle of the night and then report her disappearance in the morning.

[faithlilly]

I believe everyone except perhaps Dianne Webster.

[Eleanor]

Witnesses identification does not change with the passage of time so why would her opinion have changed ?

Mrs. Smith refused to give a second statement after her husband said it might have been Gerry.  So no one knows what she thinks about that.

[debunker]

Witnesses identification does not change with the passage of time so why would her opinion have changed ?

Psychological research clearly shows that facial recognition recall changes with time, alternatives, history and expectations.

[faithlilly]

Do you think if Gerry did find his daughter had died because of  some terrible accident, either through sedation or eing left on their own, he would be thinking logically ?

[faithlilly]

Witnesses identification does not change with the passage of time so why would her opinion have changed ?

Mrs. Smith refused to give a second statement after her husband said it might have been Gerry.  So no one knows what she thinks about that.

Martin Smith said in his statement that his wife agreed with him and we have no reason to doubt him.

[sika]

I believe everyone except perhaps Dianne Webster.

Why do you believe that Ms Webster was prepared to lie?

[faithlilly]

Witnesses identification does not change with the passage of time so why would her opinion have changed ?

Psychological research clearly shows that facial recognition recall changes with time, alternatives, history and expectations.

Martin Smith's recall was not based on facial recognition.