Jeremy Bamber’s Proven Lies

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Do any of us really know the dynamics?

Another point that interests me, is the history of those who lived at White House Farm before the Bambers (as outlined at the beginning of CAL's book). There were at least a couple of tragedies/suicides.  I wonder if Jeremy knew about  these people (whom, I gather, were not related to the family), and whether their tragedies inspired his planning of the murders??

I thought the men in the 1800s/early 1900s who took their lives were related to June...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

What was the final trigger that pushed him to choose this day?
I mean, he's used the .22 purely because it was semi-automatic, which proves he was always intent on killing everybody in the shortest space of time. I think the fact that it was semi-automatic, whereby you have to manually re-cock the trigger back, would slow the rate of fire maybe enough for Nevil to mount an attack despite taking a round or two.
A 'psychotic' individual, conversely, would surely, naively grab a shotgun, which are easier to load and fire, but way slower, obviously.

Sorry, I forgot to add that Jeremy was simply waiting for the day when everyone was sleeping over.

He’d suddenly started asking Sheila when she was going to bring the twins over to stay, despite him showing little interest in them

[APRIL]

Jeremy did try and obtain an automatic.

I can’t recall if he tried to buy one himself, or tried to encourage Nevill to

But I definitely read he wanted one, and considering he claimed not to be a good shot and not that interested in shooting is more evidence he had something planned.

I believe he went to Peter Eaton, Ann's husband, who was a gun dealer, but Peter said using such, for the reason given, would be unsportsmanlike. I think he did try to persuade Nevill to buy one.

[mrswah]

I thought the men in the 1800s/early 1900s who took their lives were related to June...

I can't remember----will look it up!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Just my opinion, but I think there probably had been some sort of argument in the evening. It might have been to do with Sheila and the twins, or it might have been something else. Either the argument set Sheila off, and she committed the murders, or it set Jeremy off, and  persuaded him that it was the right time for him to commit them. I do believe that, if Jeremy did it, he had been planning it, but if Sheila did it, it was done on impulse.

Sheila was very quiet that night, and tranquillised up with Haloperidol so there couldn’t have been an argument involving Sheila.

Further, this fostering nonsense Jeremy said it rubbish. June could have stood the shame, and more importantly, she adored the twins — and their father, Colin had joint custody — so that’s utter rubbish of Jeremy’s.

If there was an argument going on, as April says, it was probably a spat type thing between Nevill and Jeremy. Nevill tended to steer clear of arguments.

[Caroline]

Sheila was very quiet that night, and tranquillised up with Haloperidol so there couldn’t have been an argument involving Sheila.

Further, this fostering nonsense Jeremy said it rubbish. June could have stood the shame, and more importantly, she adored the twins — and their father, Colin had joint custody — so that’s utter rubbish of Jeremy’s.

If there was an argument going on, as April says, it was probably a spat type thing between Nevill and Jeremy. Nevill tended to steer clear of arguments.

Personally (and this is only my opinion), I think the argument was over Jeremy b....ring about that evening, I don't think Nevill expected to have to get the last trailer of rape seed in himself. But I think Jeremy probably sparked the argument off on purpose.

[G-Unit]

Sorry, I forgot to add that Jeremy was simply waiting for the day when everyone was sleeping over.

He’d suddenly started asking Sheila when she was going to bring the twins over to stay, despite him showing little interest in them

I've seen no evidence of Jeremy asking Sheila to come to Essex.

[Caroline]

I've seen no evidence of Jeremy asking Sheila to come to Essex.

He apparently said it to Julie.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No matter how intimately involved we are with others our view of them is subjective.  And with regard to the extended family there's no evidence they ever spent much time with JB or SC. 

If you read Doris Tweed's statement her view of JB is positive.  DT's husband was a second cousin to NB and she states they met up with the Bamber's every month to 6 weeks.

She states:

"I liked Jeremy a lot".

Perish the thought someone who actually liked JB!

Doris Tweed was an elderly 80-year-old woman who only saw Jeremy very occasionally. Of course he’d have been on his best behaviour when she visited, and she probably did think him a nice man. Many elderly people like to see the good in people and push any doubts to the back of their minds as they feel its wrong to even think bad about anyone.

That statement is pointless: I’m not sure why you bothered to drag it up...is that the best you’ve got?

Anyway, fleeting visits don’t give you an insight to someone’s true character, in fact, even people who are very close to someone are often dumbfounded when told they’ve committed a heinous crime. You’ll frequently see in newspapers how next door neighbours thought the “jolly, friendly chap” next door was absolutely lovely — until they discover he’s actually a serial murderer/rapist...

[APRIL]

Doris Tweed was an elderly 80-year-old woman who only saw Jeremy very occasionally. Of course he’d have been on his best behaviour when she visited, and she probably did think him a nice man. Many elderly people like to see the good in people and push any doubts to the back of their minds as they feel its wrong to even think bad about anyone.

That statement is pointless: I’m not sure why you bothered to drag it up...is that the best you’ve got?

Anyway, fleeting visits don’t give you an insight to someone’s true character, in fact, even people who are very close to someone are often dumbfounded when told they’ve committed a heinous crime. You’ll frequently see in newspapers how next door neighbours thought the “jolly, friendly chap” next door was absolutely lovely — until they discover he’s actually a serial murderer/rapist...

There actually, to my knowledge, hasn't been anyone who has known Jeremy all his life, who has come forward to say what a great guy and a good friend he's been over the years.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I believe he went to Peter Eaton, Ann's husband, who was a gun dealer, but Peter said using such, for the reason given, would be unsportsmanlike. I think he did try to persuade Nevill to buy one.

Thank you for establishing that, April.

Isn’t is strange that for someone who professes to dislike shooting would want a powerful automatic?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Didn't the Howies stand bail for him?

That was before the TRUTH came out, G-Unit

They wouldn’t now!

I bet they never write to him in prison, either....

In fact, did ANY of the family or Jeremy’s acquaintances ever write to him afterwards?

I know not ONE of them agreed to to go in the witness box for him...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I've seen no evidence of Jeremy asking Sheila to come to Essex.

He definitely did.

I’ve seen it — if/when I find it I’ll show you

It may have been in CAL’s book, or Colin’s...but I definitely read it

[APRIL]

He definitely did.

I’ve seen it — if/when I find it I’ll show you

It may have been in CAL’s book, or Colin’s...but I definitely read it

Jeremy had no need to invite Sheila to come to Essex. The visit had already been arranged by the senior Bambers and it had nothing to do with Jeremy. I believe he checked with Colin that it was still on, though.

[G-Unit]

He definitely did.

I’ve seen it — if/when I find it I’ll show you

It may have been in CAL’s book, or Colin’s...but I definitely read it

When you find it I'll believe it.