Reconstruction of the WHF Murders

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I tried to find Holly’s thread where she suggested it would be a good idea to do a reconstruction of the murders, and even said she was trying to arrange one (I think?)

I can’t find that thread now!

However, I did say in the thread that it wouldn’t prove anything as everyone was dead, Jeremy is never going to admit to being the murderer, and a reconstruction wouldn’t prove who the perpetrator was. But thinking about it again, I think a reconstruction WOULD be good.

A reconstruction showing how Sheila shot herself. Twice.

All you’d need is a woman of the exact same height and build; an identical rifle and silencer, and a mock up of the master bedroom. You could also do a reconstruction of her overpowering a 6”4” man of Nevill’s same build/fitness...

I think it’s an excellent idea, actually!

Thoughts anyone?

[APRIL]

You're actually going to need rather more than a Sheila lookalike. I'm a little uncertain about how you'll find someone who will math with, what's believed as being, Sheila's mind set, because that's crucial. We have  one faction who believes her to have been psychotic and therefore acting on impulse, and another who sees her as almost having thought it through prior to acting. How will you satisfy both?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You're actually going to need rather more than a Sheila lookalike. I'm a little uncertain about how you'll find someone who will math with, what's believed as being, Sheila's mind set, because that's crucial. We have  one faction who believes her to have been psychotic and therefore acting on impulse, and another who sees her as almost having thought it through prior to acting. How will you satisfy both?

The reconstruction would show if Sheila was PHYSICALLY capable of beating Nevill to a pulp.

Capable of shooting herself in the same exact spot of her neck with the rifle & silencer attached, then shooting herself a second time without the silencer. I don’t see how she could have shot herself WITHOUT the silencer.

It would just be establishing her physical capability...

Doesn’t matter if some people claim she planned it, or some claim she went psychotic...it’s a fallacy that people who have a psychotic episode start ranting and raging: they don’t.

The reason I’m suggesting it, though I know it won’t happen, is that none of JB’s campaign team would be prepared to do that as they know it was physically impossible for Sheila to have shot everyone and beaten Nevill to a pulp.

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[Nicholas]

The reconstruction would show if Sheila was PHYSICALLY capable of beating Nevill to a pulp.

Capable of shooting herself in the same exact spot of her neck with the rifle & silencer attached, then shooting herself a second time without the silencer. I don’t see how she could have shot herself WITHOUT the silencer.

It would just be establishing her physical capability...

Doesn’t matter if some people claim she planned it, or some claim she went psychotic...it’s a fallacy that people who have a psychotic episode start ranting and raging: they don’t.

The reason I’m suggesting it, though I know it won’t happen, is that none of JB’s campaign team would be prepared to do that as they know it was physically impossible for Sheila to have shot everyone and beaten Nevill to a pulp.

Good points

[The General]

The reconstruction would show if Sheila was PHYSICALLY capable of beating Nevill to a pulp.

Capable of shooting herself in the same exact spot of her neck with the rifle & silencer attached, then shooting herself a second time without the silencer. I don’t see how she could have shot herself WITHOUT the silencer.

It would just be establishing her physical capability...

Doesn’t matter if some people claim she planned it, or some claim she went psychotic...it’s a fallacy that people who have a psychotic episode start ranting and raging: they don’t.

The reason I’m suggesting it, though I know it won’t happen, is that none of JB’s campaign team would be prepared to do that as they know it was physically impossible for Sheila to have shot everyone and beaten Nevill to a pulp.

Agreed. I don't even think she was capable of doing the shooting part alone, never mind overpowering Nevill.

[Caroline]

Agreed. I don't even think she was capable of doing the shooting part alone, never mind overpowering Nevill.

Given that Vanezis believes that he was also hit in the face with a blunt object (possibly a fist), it makes it even less likely.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Make sure you drug the Sheila stand-in too.

[Myster]

Given that Vanezis believes that he was also hit in the face with a blunt object (possibly a fist), it makes it even less likely.

And not a trace of gunshot residue or her father's blood from those gaping mouth wounds to be found on her face, chest, hands, arms or nightdress, according to an experienced pathologist and firearms' expert (despite 'only playing with a rifle as a teenager').

From CAL, who interviewed both in 2014...

"Sheila’s turquoise nightdress was also tested for firearm residue and oil. None was detected, although the 1986 internal review stated that ‘the significance of this would depend on the position of the gun in relation to her body and the nightdress at the time it was fired.’ But Fletcher remains confident that wax discharged from the fired bullets would have resulted in ‘some of that material ending up on the shooter. I tested the surface of Sheila’s nightdress and I got no indication, either visual or chemical, of lead or wax material. I would have expected to find it, especially with the number of shots that were fired. I tested it thoroughly and there was no evidence of the spots of waxy material that showed up on the test fires.’ The blood on the nightdress was Sheila’s own; both Fletcher and Vanezis agree that had she been the killer, blood from the other victims would have been detected on the garment."

[APRIL]

The reconstruction would show if Sheila was PHYSICALLY capable of beating Nevill to a pulp.

Capable of shooting herself in the same exact spot of her neck with the rifle & silencer attached, then shooting herself a second time without the silencer. I don’t see how she could have shot herself WITHOUT the silencer.

It would just be establishing her physical capability...

Doesn’t matter if some people claim she planned it, or some claim she went psychotic...it’s a fallacy that people who have a psychotic episode start ranting and raging: they don’t.

The reason I’m suggesting it, though I know it won’t happen, is that none of JB’s campaign team would be prepared to do that as they know it was physically impossible for Sheila to have shot everyone and beaten Nevill to a pulp.

But you're missing my point. I imagine that shooting herself in a psychotic episode would look rather different from shooting herself whilst in command of her faculties. In the former, she'd be capable. In the latter...........?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

But you're missing my point. I imagine that shooting herself in a psychotic episode would look rather different from shooting herself whilst in command of her faculties. In the former, she'd be capable. In the latter...........?

I did explain that a psychotic state doesn’t mean a person is hysterical or violent.

But that’s besides the point, April

We’re talking about the PHYSICAL possibility


Her strength, gait, size, build, height, length of arms, physical power, quickness of step, agility, ability to avoid attack like a boxer, ability to notice and jump over shattered glass, sugar and blood , ability to run upstairs holding a 4ft rifle after beating a giant of a man to death, and then casually lying on the floor to shoot herself — twice — then after realising the first shot hasn’t killed her immediately dashes downstairs, hides silencer, sticks just ONE bullet in (second time lucky, eh) runs upstairs on her hands so blood trails upwards, long-jumps over June’s dead body, then shoots herself again

[ISpyWithMyEye]

But you're missing my point. I imagine that shooting herself in a psychotic episode would look rather different from shooting herself whilst in command of her faculties. In the former, she'd be capable. In the latter...........?

She’d have been physically incapable regardless of her state of mind, though I understand your point

She certainly wouldn’t have bothered, or even thought of looking in the gun cupboard to put the silencer on...doubt she barely knew what it was. Nor would she have then taken it off after shooting herself the first time, gone downstairs, put it away, then returned ...for some reason went back to same exact spot where she’d first shot herself — then tried again in her neck (which had failed first time) holding the gun with just one hand while resting her left arm up by her head and shoulder.

Experts in America prove that when people shoot themselves, first choice is in the mouth, second in the temple, and third in the chest

In the extremely rare cases where they shoot themselves twice they ALWAYS choose a different are e.g Chest, then Temple

They NEVER shoot themselves in the same area

And it’s always men who shoot themselves. Women choose overdoses or occasionally hanging.

[The General]

She’d have been physically incapable regardless of her state of mind, though I understand your point

She certainly wouldn’t have bothered, or even thought of looking in the gun cupboard to put the silencer on...doubt she barely knew what it was. Nor would she have then taken it off after shooting herself the first time, gone downstairs, put it away, then returned ...for some reason went back to same exact spot where she’d first shot herself — then tried again in her neck (which had failed first time) holding the gun with just one hand while resting her left arm up by her head and shoulder.

Experts in America prove that when people shoot themselves, first choice is in the mouth, second in the temple, and third in the chest

In the extremely rare cases where they shoot themselves twice they ALWAYS choose a different are e.g Chest, then Temple

They NEVER shoot themselves in the same area

And it’s always men who shoot themselves. Women choose overdoses or occasionally hanging.

Have you got a cite for all of this?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Given that Vanezis believes that he was also hit in the face with a blunt object (possibly a fist), it makes it even less likely.

And Sheila didn’t have ONE mark on her hands....

[APRIL]

She’d have been physically incapable regardless of her state of mind, though I understand your point

She certainly wouldn’t have bothered, or even thought of looking in the gun cupboard to put the silencer on...doubt she barely knew what it was. Nor would she have then taken it off after shooting herself the first time, gone downstairs, put it away, then returned ...for some reason went back to same exact spot where she’d first shot herself — then tried again in her neck (which had failed first time) holding the gun with just one hand while resting her left arm up by her head and shoulder.

Experts in America prove that when people shoot themselves, first choice is in the mouth, second in the temple, and third in the chest

In the extremely rare cases where they shoot themselves twice they ALWAYS choose a different are e.g Chest, then Temple

They NEVER shoot themselves in the same area

And it’s always men who shoot themselves. Women choose overdoses or occasionally hanging.

Quite. I was only looking at the immediacy of the act of firing, rather than the back story.