Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Am interested in why Mark Newby is choosing to perpetuate Bambers obvious innocence fraud

Mark Newby doesn’t come across as razor sharp, does he?

In fact, for him to say “I can’t say anything except Sheila did it” sounds like he’s going to give us all a good laugh when he eventually has to explain how he — out of the blue — suddenly knows categorically that Sheila did it. 100%! Sheila did it 😑

So why is he demanding EP release documents that he doesn’t know exist, nor their content? He doesn’t need anything now — he KNOWS Sheila did it!😤

[Common sense]

Am interested in why Mark Newby is choosing to perpetuate Bambers obvious innocence fraud

Quite simply because if he can get Bamber out on a technicality he will be a God in MOJ circles.

If he fails it will be because the CCRC "are part of the problem" and so not his fault.

The rifle in the window evidence is interesting but the rest is just old conspiracy guff. I wonder if the CCRC will interview the officers that reported seeing a rifle to ascertain whether they simply might have been mistaken - and will Bamber ever tell us if they do?

[Caroline]

Quite simply because if he can get Bamber out on a technicality he will be a God in MOJ circles.

If he fails it will be because the CCRC "are part of the problem" and so not his fault.

The rifle in the window evidence is interesting but the rest is just old conspiracy guff. I wonder if the CCRC will interview the officers that reported seeing a rifle to ascertain whether they simply might have been mistaken - and will Bamber ever tell us if they do?

The rifle in the window guff isn't that interesting really. Jeaps said she saw what 'appeared' to be a rifle leaning against the window. For this to be the case, Sheila would have had to be alive, she would have had to go and get the rifle from the window, avoid being seen by the officers outside and shoot herself without being heard (twice).

What 'appeared' to be a rifle had to have been leaning against the window in the box room as on the side of the house mentioned by Jeaps, the main bedroom window is bricked up. We don't have any CS pictures of the box room, so we have no idea what was in it - this aspect could be cleared up by these photographs. The Raid Team were primed for a siege, they knew there were guns in the house so anything that looked remotely like one, would be noted - I guess anyone would, if their life might depend on it.

[Nicholas]

Quite simply because if he can get Bamber out on a technicality he will be a God in MOJ circles.

If he fails it will be because the CCRC "are part of the problem" and so not his fault.

The rifle in the window evidence is interesting but the rest is just old conspiracy guff. I wonder if the CCRC will interview the officers that reported seeing a rifle to ascertain whether they simply might have been mistaken - and will Bamber ever tell us if they do?

They are ‘part of the problem’

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Quite simply because if he can get Bamber out on a technicality he will be a God in MOJ circles.

If he fails it will be because the CCRC "are part of the problem" and so not his fault.

The rifle in the window evidence is interesting but the rest is just old conspiracy guff. I wonder if the CCRC will interview the officers that reported seeing a rifle to ascertain whether they simply might have been mistaken - and will Bamber ever tell us if they do?

The rifle in the window was explained in 1986, CS

The police officers, after making sure it was empty and after the photographs had been taken placed the rifle against the wall by the window.

That’s all it was. As simple as that.

This rumour has obviously come about by one of the officers probably mentioning everything what happened to his mates in the pub, then one of those mates told his mate...and that’s how things get distorted and twisted.

There were NO guns in any windows, except for that rifle that I’ve just explained.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The rifle in the window guff isn't that interesting really. Jeaps said she saw what 'appeared' to be a rifle leaning against the window. For this to be the case, Sheila would have had to be alive, she would have had to go and get the rifle from the window, avoid being seen by the officers outside and shoot herself without being heard (twice).

What 'appeared' to be a rifle had to have been leaning against the window in the box room as on the side of the house mentioned by Jeaps, the main bedroom window is bricked up. We don't have any CS pictures of the box room, so we have no idea what was in it - this aspect could be cleared up by these photographs. The Raid Team were primed for a siege, they knew there were guns in the house so anything that looked remotely like one, would be noted - I guess anyone would, if their life might depend on it.

That’s right, Caroline

Another thing many people seem to forget is that police are human beings

This was a HUGE incident with a supposed crazy gun woman going berserk, in a house which Jeremy told them contained “lots of guns”, and so the police were on extreme high alert. When you’re scared for your own safety too, which they would have been, the mind plays tricks. Someone blowing a bubblegum and popping it could make them jump out their skin and aim their guns.

Their eyes are searching EVERYWHERE for movements, shapes, and just as people can stare at clouds and make them into the shape of a head or tree, any shadow, item, anything that remotely resembled the shape of a gun could trick their heightened state and make them wonder if it is a gun, when it could just be a broomstick.

But all of this is a tad pointless in a way, as once they entered WHF they found all the guns, so they know exactly how many were there and where they were.

[APRIL]

That’s right, Caroline

Another thing many people seem to forget is that police are human beings

This was a HUGE incident with a supposed crazy gun woman going berserk, in a house which Jeremy told them contained “lots of guns”, and so the police were on extreme high alert. When you’re scared for your own safety too, which they would have been, the mind plays tricks. Someone blowing a bubblegum and popping it could make them jump out their skin and aim their guns.

Their eyes are searching EVERYWHERE for movements, shapes, and just as people can stare at clouds and make them into the shape of a head or tree, any shadow, item, anything that remotely resembled the shape of a gun could trick their heightened state and make them wonder if it is a gun, when it could just be a broomstick.

But all of this is a tad pointless in a way, as once they entered WHF they found all the guns, so they know exactly how many were there and where they were.

Very well observed. They may all have appeared to be in full control of their emotions, but most would have been close to quivering wrecks inside, probably wondering if they'd said good-bye to their families for the last time. Sadly, when one is only interested in facts, this very important factor becomes factored out of how the facts came to be.

[Common sense]

The rifle in the window guff isn't that interesting really. Jeaps said she saw what 'appeared' to be a rifle leaning against the window. For this to be the case, Sheila would have had to be alive, she would have had to go and get the rifle from the window, avoid being seen by the officers outside and shoot herself without being heard (twice).

What 'appeared' to be a rifle had to have been leaning against the window in the box room as on the side of the house mentioned by Jeaps, the main bedroom window is bricked up. We don't have any CS pictures of the box room, so we have no idea what was in it - this aspect could be cleared up by these photographs. The Raid Team were primed for a siege, they knew there were guns in the house so anything that looked remotely like one, would be noted - I guess anyone would, if their life might depend on it.

Thanks for the explanation Caroline. I wonder if the CCRC have already investigated this?

I am deeply suspicious that JB and the CT are not just deluded fools but deliberately committing innocence fraud. 

[mrswah]

Thanks for the explanation Caroline. I wonder if the CCRC have already investigated this?

I am deeply suspicious that JB and the CT are not just deluded fools but deliberately committing innocence fraud.

I can imagine JB committing "innocence fraud", but why would the CT knowingly do so?

[Caroline]

Thanks for the explanation Caroline. I wonder if the CCRC have already investigated this?

I am deeply suspicious that JB and the CT are not just deluded fools but deliberately committing innocence fraud.

Jeremy is certainly guilty of IF - the others are probably six of one and half a dozen of the other. I don't give them a second thought much now, I can't imagine reading the rubbish they peddle on Twitter or watching any of their ridiculous Youtube BS. They made themselves a laughing stock when they tried to suggest that Bamber only sent CAL a handful of letters - but that gem must have originated from their Jem!

[Common sense]

They are ‘part of the problem’

The appeal courts and CCRC are not interested in guilt or factual innocence, only the "safety" of a conviction. Most appeals are overturned on technicalities.

A case in point is Sister Jessie McTavish - nicknamed "Sister Burke and Hare" by her colleagues. Her conviction for murdering a patient was overturned by the Scottish courts because the judges directions failed to take properly into account her denial that she had confessed to it. The jury had heard about her confession and her denial directly from the witnesses but the judge wasn't fair in the summing up. There was no retrial. Astonishingly, she was later allowed to return to nursing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1580550/Nurse-who-inspired-Colin-Norris.html

[Caroline]

I can imagine JB committing "innocence fraud", but why would the CT knowingly do so?

I would HOPE that they wouldn't but it takes all sorts to make a world. They must know that Bamber isn't always honest with them but they have supported him no matter what. Prime example is their attacks on CAL and when caught out, didn't even have the decency to make a formal apology. I don't think anyone actually takes them seriously - not even harden supporters - I know I didn't when I thought Bamber was innocent.

[Caroline]

The appeal courts and CCRC are not interested in guilt or factual innocence, only the "safety" of a conviction. Most appeals are overturned on technicalities.

A case in point is Sister Jessie McTavish - nicknamed "Sister Burke and Hare" by her colleagues. Her conviction for murdering a patient was overturned by the Scottish courts because the judges directions failed to take properly into account her denial that she had confessed to it. The jury had heard about her confession and her denial directly from the witnesses but the judge wasn't fair in the summing up. There was no retrial. Astonishingly, she was later allowed to return to nursing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1580550/Nurse-who-inspired-Colin-Norris.html

Wouldn't the SCCRC have dealt with that? Aren't they a separate body from the CCRC?

[Common sense]

I can imagine JB committing "innocence fraud", but why would the CT knowingly do so?

I believe they think he is innocent, in fact they are utterly convinced of it but I cannot believe they peddle all of those long debunked myths for any reason other than to fool new recruits and present a false narrative, IE: the case for JB is overwhelming and those wicked authorities are letting a clearly innocent man rot in jail.

What they actually have is nothing and I can't get my head around the idea that they are not aware that at least some of it is pure rubbish. 

[Caroline]

I believe they think he is innocent, in fact they are utterly convinced of it but I cannot believe they peddle all of those long debunked myths for any reason other than to fool new recruits and present a false narrative, IE: the case for JB is overwhelming and those wicked authorities are letting a clearly innocent man rot in jail.

What they actually have is nothing and I can't get my head around the idea that they are not aware that at least some of it is pure rubbish.

I agree but I do think all that crap originates from Bamber. A few years ago, there was something about Sheila's fingerprints being discovered on the casings. I challenged then via email and received a letter from Bamber saying that it was his fault, he's made a mistake and assumed something he shouldn't have. His explanation was once again - poor! I agree that they have a genuine belief in his innocence but you would think by now, they would realise he's not to be trusted?