Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony

[Holly Goodhead]

Vanezis initially stated that her R hand were not contaminated apart from blood - I don't know why he later changed it but has recently admitted that the marks on her nightdress do look like finger marks rather that an imprint of the trails from her wrists. My theory was produced from something he actually wrote - not from thin air.

Can you post a link please to where he stated that her right hand were not contaminated apart from blood?

[Nicholas]

Every which way you turn he was there.  Was he just a highly motivated officer determined to get his man or woman come what may all in the name of justice or was there something else at play?

Bamber the psychopath

[Holly Goodhead]

Bamber the psychopath

That was the former.

[Common sense]

Did the Eatons share the information with anyone?

Why would they? They weren't on trial and who's to say that they even knew JBs intentions at that stage or even that they knew of the secret land deal. 

[Nicholas]

That was the former.

What evidence do you have to make claim DS Jones was a psychopath Holly

[Common sense]

I found it interesting that the police involvement in the issue of Mugford and Battersby's dealings with the Midland Bank weren't revealed to the defence at all. Mr Terzeon only found out in 2002 that a plain clothes police officer accompanied them to the bank on 4/10/85. According to the bank manager Mr Dovey's witness statement in 2002 the police officer was DS Jones who went away and then returned with a ready written statement for Mr Dovey to sign. That statement, dated 14/10/85 didn't mention the police involvement at all.

It's interesting but completely irrelevant if they were accompanied or not.. At no point does Mr Dovey mention any police involvement or intervention in the decision making of the bank which was based purely on the banks policy. JM + SBs involvement in the cheque fraud was put before the jury as was every other thing that could be used to discredit their truthfulness.

[Holly Goodhead]

What evidence do you have to make claim DS Jones was a psychopath Holly

I don't believe I've said he was?

[Nicholas]

I found it interesting that the police involvement in the issue of Mugford and Battersby's dealings with the Midland Bank weren't revealed to the defence at all. Mr Terzeon only found out in 2002 that a plain clothes police officer accompanied them to the bank on 4/10/85. According to the bank manager Mr Dovey's witness statement in 2002 the police officer was DS Jones who went away and then returned with a ready written statement for Mr Dovey to sign. That statement, dated 14/10/85 didn't mention the police involvement at all.

Every which way you turn he was there.  Was he just a highly motivated officer determined to get his man or woman come what may all in the name of justice or was there something else at play? 

Bamber the psychopath

That was the former.

What evidence do you have to make claim DS Jones was a psychopath Holly

I don't believe I've said he was?

Who were you referring to then when you stated

That was the former.

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[Nicholas]

It's amazing how, in attempt to prove MOJ -or innocence!!!, not always commensurate with being the same, but if it ends up as an MOJ, who cares about innocence?- unnecessary complications are being added to this argument, whilst the simplest of truths are being ignored.

Are you referring to innocence fraud April ?

[Holly Goodhead]

Who were you referring to then when you stated

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It was an either or and the either was the former.

[Nicholas]

It was an either or and the either was the former.

Who were you referring to exactly - these are the names you used

Mugford and Battersby
Mr Terzeon
Mr Dovey
DS Jones

Pls state who you were referring to being a psychopath

[Caroline]

Can you post a link please to where he stated that her right hand were not contaminated apart from blood?

Certainly!

It's difficult to read but he states that "palm print on nightdress matches bloodstains, appear to have been transferred from R hand" and later "both hands not contaminated apart from bloodstains"

And this from CAL after a recent interview with the man himself;

Asked to address the discrepancy today, Vanezis muses: ‘I’m not sure whether I said that after the blood had been washed from her hands.’ Regarding his courtroom statement about the stain on her nightdress, he reflects: ‘The smear in the blood on her neck wounds is obviously from putting her hand up to it. Her fingers could then have made the marks on her nightdress because there are three streaks forming the stain – two together and one slightly apart. The marks could be from her wrist, but the thickness of them definitely resembles fingers and she certainly has some blood on the side of her hand. There’s also a line through the streaks where the material has folded, giving a slightly distorted pattern.’ The blood trails evident on Sheila’s lower right arm, together with substantial blood staining on the right side of the nightdress in the armpit area and below, reinforced the probability that she had raised her hand to her neck.

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (pp. 194-195). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

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[Nicholas]

Yes, the defence very quickly dropped the Bible attempt...when they realised it brought into question how Sheila could have shot herself in the throat, causing massive blood loss to collect in her throat and neck (as seen by the swelling in the photographs), been semi-conscious, gurgling for breath, partially paralysed as her upper spine had been shattered by the bullet — then somehow picked the Bible up, opened it, deliberately put her hand in the pool of blood that had escaped from her neck into a pool beside her, then pressed her hand hard inside the Bible, closed it, opened it again and put it down next to her when she was supposedly holding the long rifle in her right hand and her left arm was twisted backwards towards her head...them somehow managed to shoot herself a second time.

No wonder the defence quickly shut up about THAT!

Jeremy hadn’t anticipated when he pressed Sheila’s hand onto the Bible then closed it, that it it would make an identical hand print on the opposite page! What an idiot! Besides being an evil psychopath and mass murderer, he’s also thick.

Doesn’t Mark Newby know all this?

[G-Unit]

It's interesting but completely irrelevant if they were accompanied or not.. At no point does Mr Dovey mention any police involvement or intervention in the decision making of the bank which was based purely on the banks policy. JM + SBs involvement in the cheque fraud was put before the jury as was every other thing that could be used to discredit their truthfulness.

The fact that none of them mentioned it is the interesting bit. Why would DS Jones go with them anyway?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Dr V's notes make clear SC's palms were not contaminated with blood whereas NB's right hand was.  When he referred to the right hand causing what he thought was a palm print on SC's nightdress was he referring to NB's hand?

No measurements or palm prints were taken for comparison.

How DARE you question an expert pathologist?

Do you THINK he couldn’t differentiate between a palm print of a man of Nevill’s size and frame, and Sheila’s?

I’m not reading all your boring screenshots: I’ve read the whole case thoroughly.

Stop trying to create doubts when there aren’t any. You look desperate.


You’ve got nothing whatsoever to go on, so you’re nitpicking in pathetic things that have been established by experts.