Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence

[Nicholas]

Nicholas what proof exists that DRH/44 was returned to the relatives?

Even if it was, how would it assist with SC's DNA?

According to CAL, page 408, the bible was handed back to the family in 2006 and the note was in June's handwriting.

I wonder why the bible wasn't forensically analysed and an attempt made to group the blood.  The wallpaper was tested and indicative results matched it to NB's 'O' antigen although it didn't meet the labs internal standards for a definitive conclusion.  And yet it seems the blood staining was much smaller than that on the bible?  Both would have similar porosity.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=229;image

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=231

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/the-bloodied-bible

So many loose ends just left hanging by JB's defence (yes that's you Paul Terzeon and Geoffrey Rivlin.  If it transpires that the pair of you were largely repsonsible for sending an innocent man to jail for 30 plus years and you refuse to accept responsibility and make a public apology I will chain myself naked to Downing St railings until you do or a nice fireman cuts me loose!)

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[ISpyWithMyEye]

I'm sure they did but once again, as a bunch on amateur detectives, we don't have access to all of the case material and nor do  we have the  right to access it.

And would Holly understand it anyway...she’s not a Forensic Scientist

Neither am I — but unlike her I don’t search out technical reports and post them up as I wouldn’t know their exact meaning. I’m surprised Holly has all this vast knowledge on ballistics, forensics, pathology, law and psychology — yet still, after almost a DECADE, she hasn’t been able to to help Jeremy Bamber win leave for a third appeal 😌

It doesn’t look very optimistic. He had one of the top QC’s representing him at trail — and lost

He has Holly with her vast knowledge and experience on a multitude of professions — and he’s still stuck in his little cell poring over paperwork that’s possibly faded and yellowed...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It's standard procedure to take a blood sample at autopsy so there is no reason why Sheila's wouldn't be freely available at the time unless the pathologist messed up?

Yes, of course they took samples of Sheila’s blood — that’s how they measured the levels of the Haloperidol in her system, including the small amount of cannabis she’d smoked several days previously

She had no other substances inside her system, despite Gunit frequently saying Sheila “probably” took antihistamine for Hay Fever — in August, long after the HF season. That would have sent her berserk, apparently, according to Gunit.😳

 

[Holly Goodhead]

What proof exists that the bible in question was destroyed ?

See ground 9 point 405

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Sheila's blood wasn't tested for DNA.

😫

[Holly Goodhead]

You’re demeaning people again, Holly

Malcolm Fletcher had THIRTEEN YEARS EXPERIENCE working in the HOME OFFICE FORENSIC SCIENCE LABORATORY  in the FIREARMS Department.

You mock him by implying he isn’t an expert by putting ‘expert’, and trying to suggest his only experience was having an air rifle as a small boy.

Why do you try and debase certain people and put them down?

It doesn’t make you look good...

I'm not putting anyone down but if jurors are relying on experts to decide a person's fate in terms of removing liberty for the rest of their natural life then experts need to be appropriately qualified and there's no evidence they were.

Buck stops with HO.

[Caroline]

All exhibits were not destroyed Holly

Aunt Agatha has the Chinese trick box, she also had the wetsuit

The surviving relatives received June’s bible

The passage you keep quoting from is misleading

I remember something about milk teeth. Jeremy went to see Pam about the Jewellery and they had a discussion about who would get what and he said he wanted the teeth. Pam found them in a box. There was one of Jeremy's and one of Sheila's. Why would he want them?

[Caroline]

I'm not putting anyone down but if jurors are relying on experts to decide a person's fate in terms of removing liberty for the rest of their natural life then experts need to be appropriately qualified and there's no evidence they were.

Buck stops with HO.

He was an experienced man but it's easy to just dismiss that and make that your excuse.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

If you're referring to the DNA testing quoted in the 2002 Appeal, the forensic scientist did not say she was certain it came from Sheila's blood. LCN DNA tests are unable to indentify which bodily fluid the DNA came from.

I’ve posted the transcript

What don’t you understand about the FACT 17 out of a possible 20 markers of Sheila’s blood was found inside the silencer!The FS scientist stated the possibility of that blood being anyone else’s was a TRILLION TO ONE.

I’m not replying to you about this anymore!

[Holly Goodhead]

He was an experienced man but it's easy to just dismiss that and make that your excuse.

He was woefully under qualified venturing into areas that fall to a pathologist.

I suspect you would feel differently if you were about to undergo some serious surgery and found the surgeon was a master butcher.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I’ve posted the transcript

What don’t you understand about the FACT 17 out of a possible 20 markers of Sheila’s blood was found inside the silencer!The FS scientist stated the possibility of that blood being anyone else’s was a TRILLION TO ONE.

I’m not replying to you about this anymore!

The one in a trillion statistic which was rubbished by Holly has been discussed on this forum before on this thread.  Frustratingly the programme it was mentioned in doesn’t appear to be online anymore
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=830.0

[Holly Goodhead]

The one in a trillion statistic which was rubbished by Holly has been discussed on this forum before on this thread.  Frustratingly the programme it was mentioned in doesn’t appear to be online anymore
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=830.0

Look thru historic cases and forensic lit from 1 in a trillion.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

A billion to one actually based on CPS guidelines:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/dna-17-profiling

But hey what's a few billion between friends after all genetically humans are 99.9% alike 🤔

And out of all those billions of people who exist and have ever existed — except for identical twins — NO TWO people have the same DNA.

There’s literally TRILLIONS of variations depending on which DNA you’ve received from your parents. Every egg and every sperm holds differing variables of DNA, hence why full siblings only share 50% of the same DNA.

My family are currently doing a hereditary trace and family tree.

My sister and I are full biological siblings. DNA has proved that. We are predominately British.

However, 17% of my DNA has picked up Scandinavian and Souther Italian whilst its hasn’t shown up in my sister’s, and we ARE absolutely FULL BIOLOGICAL SISTERS. So that’s how VARIED and random EVERYONE’S DNA is. Every single person is unique. Everyone.

[Nicholas]

I remember something about milk teeth. Jeremy went to see Pam about the Jewellery and they had a discussion about who would get what and he said he wanted the teeth. Pam found them in a box. There was one of Jeremy's and one of Sheila's. Why would he want them?

Yet Brancher has suggested Bamber and JM were ‘both as bad as one another’ ?