Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence

[Vertigo Swirl]

How did this term 'guilter' evolve? What an odd label that is, almost as if it is to describe someone with an erroneous counter opinion and there's another option. There is no other option.

It’s a derogatory term to make those who accept Bamber’s guilt sound like some weird American conspiracy nutter cult.

[The General]

It’s a derogatory term to make those who accept Bamber’s guilt sound like some weird American conspiracy nutter cult.

It's a pretty lame attempt at a quasi-pejorative label that probably points more to a desperate need to create a schism that doesn't exist.
Believing Bamber to be guilty isn't a 'camp', it's an absolute.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's a pretty lame attempt at a quasi-pejorative label that probably points more to a desperate need to create a schism that doesn't exist.
Believing Bamber to be guilty isn't a 'camp', it's an absolute.

well yeah, but that’s not how the supporters see it.

[APRIL]

well yeah, but that’s not how the supporters see it.

As a grammar pedant, I disapprove of the term "guilter". I prefer "opposer" or "detractor", the opposites of supporter.

[mrswah]

As a grammar pedant, I disapprove of the term "guilter". I prefer "opposer" or "detractor", the opposites of supporter.

Fair enough, I'll use "opposer " in future.  Wasn't sure what to use, to be honest, and I'd seen "guilter" used somewhere else.

But I wouldn't want to offend anyone!

[mrswah]

Come on, there are SOME clues!

Of course there are!

I realise he's more likely to be guilty than not, and I go back and forth with my opinions, depending on what I read, and am frustrated that I never come to a conclusion.  Probably haven't read enough of the important stuff-----cant drum up much enthusiasm for blood/ballistics evidence, but I'm very interested in the family "dynamics".

[APRIL]

Fair enough, I'll use "opposer " in future.  Wasn't sure what to use, to be honest, and I'd seen "guilter" used somewhere else.

But I wouldn't want to offend anyone!

We can only please some of the posters, SOME of the time, Mrswah

[ISpyWithMyEye]

But why should we see CC's accounts as infallible?

You think the convicted mass murderer Jeremy Bamber’s accounts are infallible

Funny the jury didn’t think so....😌

[Aunt Agatha]

As a grammar pedant, I disapprove of the term "guilter". I prefer "opposer" or "detractor", the opposites of supporter.

I stand corrected.  I’m old school.....opposer it is.  Apologies.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

CC's claims often contradict with others.  Eg his claim his mother observed JB naked or semi-naked running out of the bathroom at CC's. He even said recently on prime TV that JB had his hair soaped up in spikes which he did to copy the twins and yet his mother makes no ref to this meeting in her wit stat.

That’s because it didn’t crop up in the interview

What you’re forgetting is, Colin’s mother was in pieces as her beautiful little grandsons had been shot dead — by the man you support — Jeremy Bamber

She wouldn’t have said every solitary thing to the police as they asked her questions, and as the police didn’t know the sick, twisted Jeremy got a sick kick out of copying the twins spiky hair when they were in the bath, and which was in a framed photograph, she obviously never got round to mentioning it

[Nicholas]

Maybe you should ask Bamber, Mark Newby or his CT to provide copies of the paperwork related to all exhibits

These questions have still yet to be answered http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,514.msg9287.html#msg9287

“Mike, please could you clarify when JB or his legal team were advised that evidence, in particular blood samples, were going to be or had been destroyed, as happened in 1996.

Likewise, in 2002 the CCRC displayed a willingness to use their powers to examine the full circumstances surrounding the destruction of evidence in 1996. JB instructed Turner QC to decline this offer to investigate.  What reason has JB given for his decision?

“It appears JB rejected a golden opportunity to (possibly) have the EP discredited by the CCRC.
The CCRC would have borne the costs as well - not to be sneezed at.
Had EP been proved to be disingenuous on this matter, the Commission may have allowed 'generous discretion' in viewing related grounds for Appeal.

The silence on this leads to other conspiracy theories - that JB wanted blood samples destroyed fearing DNA developments since 1985... etc.

So I think the matter should be addressed.

These questions have still yet to be answered

In Bamber’s 7th June 2011 letter to Mike T here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=229.0 on the last page Bamber states,

“Those photos you attribute to DS Jones taking them, he didn’t he exhibited them, DC Bird took them, I have copies of the originals - the ones DS Jones exhibited were destroyed not the original images

[ISpyWithMyEye]

These questions have still yet to be answered

In Bamber’s 7th June 2011 letter to Mike T here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=229.0 on the last page Bamber states,

“Those photos you attribute to DS Jones taking them, he didn’t he exhibited them, DC Bird took them, I have copies of the originals - the ones DS Jones exhibited were destroyed not the original images

Oh, did JB want want the blood from the silencers destroyed?!

Now, why would he want that if he was innocent?😗

And then he complains about evidence that WAS destroyed...🤷‍♀️

He can’t have it both ways

[Holly Goodhead]

CC's claims often contradict with others.  Eg his claim his mother observed JB naked or semi-naked running out of the bathroom at CC's. He even said recently on prime TV that JB had his hair soaped up in spikes which he did to copy the twins and yet his mother makes no ref to this meeting in her wit stat.

https://youtu.be/afIXWrexiWk @ 4.20

[Holly Goodhead]

Oh, did JB want want the blood from the silencers destroyed?!

Now, why would he want that if he was innocent?😗

And then he complains about evidence that WAS destroyed...🤷‍♀️

He can’t have it both ways

By the time the defence expert visited the lab to examine the silencer there was no evidence of visible blood in the silencer!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

https://youtu.be/afIXWrexiWk @ 4.20

Went through that one yesterday, Holly

Colin’s mum was mourning the loss of her grandsons!

When she made her statement to police she was merely answering questions they asked HER.

It obviously never arose about JB putting his hair in spikes, mimicking the twins’ photo...but he did do it. Colin isn’t  a pathological liar/nut, neither is his mother...but JB is, and he got a warped kick from doing it.