Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence

[Caroline]

Eg photographic evidence exists for the blood stains on the bible and diagrams exist for the blood stained rifle and debris on the outside of the silencer.

Oh I defo think you should include the bible in your attempt for freedom 

[Nicholas]

Oh I defo think you should include the bible in your attempt for freedom 

 

[Holly Goodhead]

Oh I defo think you should include the bible in your attempt for freedom 

It would be interesting to know whose blood stained the pages but since it has been destroyed with all the other exhibits we will never know.

[Nicholas]

It would be interesting to know whose blood stained the pages but since it has been destroyed with all the other exhibits we will never know.

Wasn’t this bible handed to the surviving relatives Holly?

You might want to rephrase your post - ‘but since it has been destroyed with all the other exhibits‘

Clearly they weren’t all destroyed as you claim

As far as I can see there was nothing of evidential value destroyed pre trial. 

My understanding is that post trial the police have a duty to hold trial exhibits indefinitely.  Whether their destruction was a genuine oversight or something more sinister who knows?!  If JB is innocent those exhibits could almost certainly exonerate him.

And weren’t Bamber’s wetsuit and the Chinese trick box, for example, handed to Aunt Agatha

Why would Bamber handout exhibits to Aunt Agatha if there was a chance these could ‘exonerate’ him?

“in 2002 the CCRC displayed a willingness to use their powers to examine the full circumstances surrounding the destruction of evidence in 1996. JB instructed Turner QC to decline this offer to investigate.  What reason has JB given for his decision?

Why did Bamber appear to allow the bible go to the relatives in 2006

[Nicholas]

It would be interesting to know whose blood stained the pages but since it has been destroyed with all the other exhibits we will never know.

How many times have you been here before Holly?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10186.msg573760#msg573760

[Nicholas]

It would be interesting to know whose blood stained the pages but since it has been destroyed with all the other exhibits we will never know.

[12] A5-08-06 Details that the Bible was not destroyed, but given to the relatives who were ‘unable to locate it for the Appeal of 2002.’ (foot of page) https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/the-bloodied-bible

The relatives didn’t have the bible in 2002 so how did the CT expect them to produce it for 2002 appeal?

And why are the relatives being blamed for this?

The OS states,

“Evidence suggests that the Bible in question was not destroyed back in the 1980’s moreover, it is probable that it is in existence today. Police gave possession of it back to Jeremy’s extended relatives who benefited financially from his conviction.”

Has Bamber told the CT to publish these words or are they the words of a CT member?

There should be documentation related to the relatives receiving the bible and it’s highly likely Bamber has copies

[Holly Goodhead]

How many times have you been here before Holly?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10186.msg573760#msg573760

About as many times as most other regulars here I would think. 

I hope you're not missing anything on SM.  I rely on you for intelligence gathering.

Have they said anything today?  Poppy? Michelle? Trudy? 

[Nicholas]

No he said the rifle with the sights and silencer on wouldn't fit in the case not the cupboard.

Source: MF's trial testimony

Bamber wrote to Mike Tesko about the rifle and silencer being photographed in the gun cupboard Holly - page 4 here https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=229.0

[Nicholas]

About as many times as most other regulars here I would think. 

I hope you're not missing anything on SM.  I rely on you for intelligence gathering.

Have they said anything today?  Poppy? Michelle? Trudy?

Which bible was handed back to the relatives Holly

[ISpyWithMyEye]

But Bamber told DB that he removed both sights and moderator because the rifle wouldn't fit in the cupboard with them attached, when police showed that it clearly would...

Well, that’s ANOTHER lie Jeremy Bamber has told...who’s going to dispute that, I wonder?

Briatt, I thought he said when he took the rifle both the silencer and scope were unattached...but did he also say somewhere that he took them off ?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I didn't say that identical twins don't share the same dna but

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27411-police-can-now-tell-identical-twins-apart-just-melt-their-dna/

You INFERRED it when you said:  “ Fingerprint evidence is actually more reliable than DNA as no two people share the same fingerprints not even identical twins.”

Is that not inferring identical twins don’t share the same DNA?


Quote from: Holly Goodhead on May 10, 2020, 01:25:00 PM
Because statistically it is possible for two people to share the same dna.  Often it is presented by way of a % which is close to 100%.  In paternity testing it is presented as 99.9%.

Fingerprint evidence is actually more reliable than DNA as no two people share the same fingerprints not even identical twins.

[Holly Goodhead]

You INFERRED it when you said:  “ Fingerprint evidence is actually more reliable than DNA as no two people share the same fingerprints not even identical twins.”

Is that not inferring identical twins don’t share the same DNA?


Quote from: Holly Goodhead on May 10, 2020, 01:25:00 PM
Because statistically it is possible for two people to share the same dna.  Often it is presented by way of a % which is close to 100%.  In paternity testing it is presented as 99.9%.

Fingerprint evidence is actually more reliable than DNA as no two people share the same fingerprints not even identical twins.

That's your interpretation.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Just to simplify matters.

Let us look at what we know about the Anschutz rifle and more importantly the sound moderator.

• the rifle was used to control vermin on the farm
• the blood recovered from the sound moderator was human and had been contributed by three different people (two females and one male)
• it was not possible to 'plant' blood in the position inside the moderator where it was found

Given that the weapon used to murder the family in White House Farm was the Anschutz I think a reasonable deduction can be arrived at from the information I've posted above.

Excellent point, Briatt.

And as the rifle was almost brand new and had only been used by men — how strange that TWO WOMENS’ blood was found inside and two women were murdered that night: Sheila and June. And how strange that one of women’s blood samples proved it had SEVENTEEN identical markers matching Sheila’s...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

What does that mean?

It means the blood was Sheila’s

Holly s posting up the desperate attempts of the DEFENCE to try and imply the blood “may” not have been Sheila’s, despite the FACT all 17 out of 20 markers proved categorically that the chances of the blood belonging to anyone else was billions to one.

I read somewhere it was TRILLION to one...

Whatever, even if mathematics and logic confuse some people, I’d say that anyone would agree they’re jolly high odds 🤔

[G-Unit]

It means the blood was Sheila’s

Holly s posting up the desperate attempts of the DEFENCE to try and imply the blood “may” not have been Sheila’s, despite the FACT all 17 out of 20 markers proved categorically that the chances of the blood belonging to anyone else was billions to one.

I read somewhere it was TRILLION to one...

Whatever, even if mathematics and logic confuse some people, I’d say that anyone would agree they’re jolly high odds 🤔

This is what the Appeal Court decided;

497. We, therefore, consider the matter on the basis that the conclusions to be drawn from the DNA evidence are:

i) June Bamber's DNA was in the sound moderator at the time of the DNA examination;

ii) Sheila Caffell's DNA may have been in the sound moderator but it was not possible to conclude one way or the other whether it was; and

iii) there was evidence of DNA from at least one male.
http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html