Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence

[Robittybob1]

Nowhere near the scene, she was in Canada.

OK, so the grandmother of the twins was not involved if that was the case.   Could there be female siblings of Shiela who shared the same mother (maternal siblings)?

[APRIL]

OK, so the grandmother of the twins was not involved if that was the case.   Could there be female siblings of Shiela who shared the same mother (maternal siblings)?

Most likely, in Canada too. Far too big a leap to have any of Sheila's biological family at a remote farmhouse in the wilds of Essex -given it wasn't Sheila's home anyway- at that time of the morning.

[Caroline]

OK, so the grandmother of the twins was not involved if that was the case.   Could there be female siblings of Shiela who shared the same mother (maternal siblings)?

Nope.

[Holly Goodhead]

Isn't it wonderful that despite everything, the exhibit retained its integrity because the family's life's blood was too deep within its innards to be disturbed.
Signifying what an absolute bloodbath there must have been.

We are told blood was found inside the silencer in 1985. 

- How deep? 
- What actual evidence exists by way of a diagram or photos?

[Caroline]

We are told blood was found inside the silencer in 1985. 

- How deep? 
- What actual evidence exists by way of a diagram or photos?

This isn't very clear but .....

[Nicholas]

This isn't very clear but .....

 

[Holly Goodhead]

This isn't very clear but .....

You can that again!  How come the blood stains on the rifle are far better illustrated? 

[Robittybob1]

Most likely, in Canada too. Far too big a leap to have any of Sheila's biological family at a remote farmhouse in the wilds of Essex -given it wasn't Sheila's home anyway- at that time of the morning.

But Shiela and her twins were there that night.  Where would she normally live?  What was the reason for staying there that night?

[Holly Goodhead]

This isn't very clear but .....

I think the diagram (if you can call it that) was produced by defense expert Dr Lincoln as the date on it, 29th Apr '86, coincides with when he visited the lab.

Did those who claim to have found/observed the blood inside the silencer: Malcolm Fletcher, ballistics - responsible for unassembling the silencer and John Hayward, biologist, responsible for grouping the blood, produce diagrams and/or photos?  If not why not when we know this is the usual process as evidenced by the rifle and external silencer:

[APRIL]

But Shiela and her twins were there that night.  Where would she normally live?  What was the reason for staying there that night?

It's possible that you have a lot of catching up to do, Robittybob1!!! Okay, pin ya lugs back! The twins were being taken on holiday, to Norway, by their father, Colin Caffell, at the end of they week. They spent most of their time with him. He and Sheila had joint custody. Colin and Sheila lived in different parts of London. Sheila's parents, the Bambers, as grandparents frequently do, wanted to see the boys before they went on holiday. Colin wasn't entirely happy with this, the Bambers' ideology being very different from his own. Nor was Sheila entirely happy to be spending time with her parents. Whilst she was close to her father, the relationship she had with her mother, was toxic. However, they were only to be staying for four nights............

[Holly Goodhead]

The silencer was first examined at the lab on 13th Aug by scientist Glynis Howard.  I don't know whether the diagram was drawn by her own fair hand or a.n. other but regardless it is clear the writing describing the stains by way of measurements is the same as much of the other writing.

It is also clear others have added to it at latter dates by way of the paint on the outside and the blood inside.

After Glynis Howard completed her examination of the silencer it was handed back to Di Cook for fingerprinting. 

On 15th Aug the silencer went into the cyanoacrylate fuming chamber at the police research facility at Sandridge, Herts.

On 12 Sep the silencer was back in the lab at Huntingdon where it was unassembled by MF who supposedly found the blood inside.

When was the paint first identified?  The author of the original diagram didn't identify it as the notes relating to the paint are in different handwriting and were added later.   

[Holly Goodhead]

Silencer diagrams:

[Holly Goodhead]

At trial Glynis Howard told the court she has a BSc but she doesn't say in what.  Anyway she was responsible for the first forensic examination of the silencer which resulted in a diagram showing small blood stains on the outside but surely if she observed paint she would make a note of it which she doesn't.  Nor does she she refer to the paint in her trial testimony. 

Her examination of the silencer on 13th Aug revealed blood staining inside the bore to the extent she inserted cotton threads to remove for analysis and yet did not think to open it up then and there to see if the blood extended to the inside? 

So despite this forensic examination of the silencer on 13th Aug it appears the paint on the outside and the blood on the inside was overlooked?  DI Cook waited for GH to complete her examination and took away with him the rifle and silencer for fingerprinting in the cyanoacrylate fuming chamber on 15th Aug.

I guess the reason the silencer went to the lab first was to remove any forensic evidence which might be adversely
affected by going in the cyanoacrylate fuming chamber?

Why wasnt this other forensic evidence removed on 13th Aug?  Imo it wasn't removed because it didn't exist! 

[Robittybob1]

It's possible that you have a lot of catching up to do, Robittybob1!!! Okay, pin ya lugs back! The twins were being taken on holiday, to Norway, by their father, Colin Caffell, at the end of the week. They spent most of their time with him. He and Sheila had joint custody. Colin and Sheila lived in different parts of London. Sheila's parents, the Bambers, as grandparents frequently do, wanted to see the boys before they went on holiday. Colin wasn't entirely happy with this, the Bambers' ideology being very different from his own. Nor was Sheila entirely happy to be spending time with her parents. Whilst she was close to her father, the relationship she had with her mother, was toxic. However, they were only to be staying for four nights............

Well, that is quite a story, one that hasn't been covered in any of the documentaries I've seen on the subject as yet.
So who provided this story to us?   Was it Colin?

[APRIL]

Well, that is quite a story, one that hasn't been covered in any of the documentaries I've seen on the subject as yet.
So who provided this story to us?   Was it Colin?

I thought it had been in "White House Farm Murders"? Perhaps not. I think it probably came from Colin, in his book. He'd have had greater insight -than others- to Sheila's relationship with her parents.