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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #495 on: May 17, 2020, 10:59:49 PM »
Assuming he is guilty, I'd guess because they contain DNA, and could be used to incriminate him?

He IS guilty. He was convicted 35 years ago. There nothing to assume.

You’re right about the tooth, though
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #496 on: May 17, 2020, 11:27:59 PM »
I'd suggest he was a bad influence on her.

There’s a wealth of evidence showing Bamber to be controlling, arrogant and emotionally repressed but none of these descriptions fit JM

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #497 on: May 17, 2020, 11:39:32 PM »

Speaks volumes doesn’t it?

Indeed it does

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #498 on: May 17, 2020, 11:48:55 PM »


Besides, the judge told the jury they could convict Jeremy on Julie’s evidence alone....


Sally Challen had her murder conviction reduced to manslaughter

Sally suffered years of emotional abuse from her husband.
She was a victim of coercive control - which became a criminal offence in England and Wales in 2015.
Coercive control describes a pattern of behaviour by an abuser to harm, punish or frighten their victim.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-50673081?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cglkv3nvv48t/sally-challen-murder-case&link_location=live-reporting-story

Much has been made by Bamber’s supporters of JM’s admissions of having ‘stabbed a teddy’ and of putting a pillow over his face and of her comment ‘if you were dead you’d always be with me’ or whatever it was she said & throwing the wooden box at a mirror.

Don’t suppose Bamber’s supporters have ever given consideration to JM’s behaviour at that time?

She claimed in court she ‘felt hurt’



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Offline Nicholas

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #499 on: May 17, 2020, 11:56:58 PM »

Speaks volumes doesn’t it?

Am not convinced the ‘police officer’ mentioned below ‘destroyed many of the original trial exhibits without reference to the appellant or his legal representatives’ - One of Bamber’s previous representatives was a fraudster

165. In February 1996, the Essex police destroyed many of the original trial exhibits without reference to the appellant or his legal representatives. It might have been necessary for this court to examine the circumstances in which this had happened. The police officer responsible contended that it was done without his appreciating that there was any on-going legal process that might require the further use of the exhibits. However, during argument it was agreed that the court could protect the appellant's position by making assumptions in his favour and that, therefore, it was unnecessary to resolve precisely how this came about.

Why didn’t Bamber take up the CCRC’s offer ?

Maybe you should ask Bamber, Mark Newby or his CT to provide copies of the paperwork related to all exhibits

These questions have still yet to be answered http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,514.msg9287.html#msg9287

Mike, please could you clarify when JB or his legal team were advised that evidence, in particular blood samples, were going to be or had been destroyed, as happened in 1996.

Likewise, in 2002 the CCRC displayed a willingness to use their powers to examine the full circumstances surrounding the destruction of evidence in 1996. JB instructed Turner QC to decline this offer to investigate.  What reason has JB given for his decision?


“It appears JB rejected a golden opportunity to (possibly) have the EP discredited by the CCRC.
The CCRC would have borne the costs as well - not to be sneezed at.
Had EP been proved to be disingenuous on this matter, the Commission may have allowed 'generous discretion' in viewing related grounds for Appeal.

The silence on this leads to other conspiracy theories - that JB wanted blood samples destroyed fearing DNA developments since 1985... etc.

So I think the matter should be addressed.


Is it because a paper trail would lead back to Bamber having given his permission to have certain items destroyed?

What’s the full story behind the trial exhibits being handed back to relatives and Aunt Agatha in 2006?

Am not interested in AA’s previous comments on this

But am interested in why a fuss appears to have been made when Mike Tesko published the paperwork - what did Bamber supporters appear to want to keep hidden and why ?
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #500 on: May 17, 2020, 11:59:09 PM »
Sally Challen had her murder conviction reduced to manslaughter

Sally suffered years of emotional abuse from her husband.
She was a victim of coercive control - which became a criminal offence in England and Wales in 2015.
Coercive control describes a pattern of behaviour by an abuser to harm, punish or frighten their victim.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-50673081?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cglkv3nvv48t/sally-challen-murder-case&link_location=live-reporting-story

Much has been made by Bamber’s supporters of JM’s admissions of having ‘stabbed a teddy’ and of putting a pillow over his face and of her comment ‘if you were dead you’d always be with me’ or whatever it was she said & throwing the wooden box at a mirror.

Don’t suppose Bamber’s supporters have ever given consideration to JM’s behaviour at that time?

She claimed in court she ‘felt hurt’


Oh, his CT are all weird.

That pillow event wasn’t attempted murder! Julie pushed the pillow onto his face and he deliberately keyed still — he could have EASILY pushed her off. He wasn’t struggling to breathe..,he possibly found it funny! That’s was just Julie play fighting. It’s pathetic.

The stabbing if the teddy bear — she didn’t use a 10 inch knife. She used eyebrow tweezers or nail scissors...can’t quite remember. It was all rubbish, and has got twisted.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #501 on: May 18, 2020, 06:06:52 AM »
I remember something about milk teeth. Jeremy went to see Pam about the Jewellery and they had a discussion about who would get what and he said he wanted the teeth. Pam found them in a box. There was one of Jeremy's and one of Sheila's. Why would he want them?

According to CAL Jeremy went to Vaulty for petrol. Pam came out and told him she intended to keep June's jewellery (which her daughter took from White House Farn without his permission, along with his Granny Bamber's jewellery). In my opinion the remark about the teeth was to make a point; that they had taken keepsakes to which they had no right whatsoever. 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #502 on: May 18, 2020, 07:13:10 AM »
According to CAL Jeremy went to Vaulty for petrol. Pam came out and told him she intended to keep June's jewellery (which her daughter took from White House Farn without his permission, along with his Granny Bamber's jewellery). In my opinion the remark about the teeth was to make a point; that they had taken keepsakes to which they had no right whatsoever.
No right whatsoever?? Who has them now then?
Not a handwriting expert.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #503 on: May 18, 2020, 07:50:16 AM »
No right whatsoever?? Who has them now then?

I assume the Boutflours. I believe they returned Granny Bamber's jewellery and if it was part of Nevill's estate I assume the Pargeters got it with the rest of his estate.
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Offline APRIL

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #504 on: May 18, 2020, 08:05:02 AM »
I assume the Boutflours. I believe they returned Granny Bamber's jewellery and if it was part of Nevill's estate I assume the Pargeters got it with the rest of his estate.


Well, at least the right people got them in the end. They were returned to the rightful families as opposed to being sold without consulting them.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #505 on: May 18, 2020, 08:38:16 AM »

Well, at least the right people got them in the end. They were returned to the rightful families as opposed to being sold without consulting them.

As an adopted son Jeremy Bamber was, at the time, the 'rightful' family. He was under no obligation to consult his relatives about anything.
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Offline APRIL

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #506 on: May 18, 2020, 08:59:23 AM »
As an adopted son Jeremy Bamber was, at the time, the 'rightful' family. He was under no obligation to consult his relatives about anything.

Certainly, in law, you're correct. Morally, and speaking as an adopted daughter, I find it lacking. Still, it must be comforting to have something to hide behind.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #507 on: May 18, 2020, 09:18:28 AM »
Certainly, in law, you're correct. Morally, and speaking as an adopted daughter, I find it lacking. Still, it must be comforting to have something to hide behind.

Morally I find it lacking that the relatives were asking for June's engagement ring two days after she died.
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Offline APRIL

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #508 on: May 18, 2020, 10:33:15 AM »
Morally I find it lacking that the relatives were asking for June's engagement ring two days after she died.


Once an item has been turned into cash, it's gone forever. I give them credit for rescuing family items that Jeremy would have had no compunction about selling. They knew him of old.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #509 on: May 18, 2020, 12:00:05 PM »

Once an item has been turned into cash, it's gone forever. I give them credit for rescuing family items that Jeremy would have had no compunction about selling. They knew him of old.

They judged him, clearly disliked him and went to see him on 7th August out of 'duty I suppose'. [Ann Eaton w/s 14/5/91]. Family items cease to be family items when owned by individual family members.
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