Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence

[Holly Goodhead]

Went through that one yesterday, Holly

Colin’s mum was mourning the loss of her grandsons!

When she made her statement to police she was merely answering questions they asked HER.

It obviously never arose about JB putting his hair in spikes, mimicking the twins’ photo...but he did do it. Colin sent a pathological liar/nut, neither is his mother...but JB is, and he got a warped kick from doing it.

His mother provided a wit stat where she recounts her very limited contact with JB.  Why would she omit such an encounter? 

[Holly Goodhead]

His mother provided a wit stat where she recounts her very limited contact with JB.  Why would she omit such an encounter?

There are also many inconsistencies in the wit stats of FE, CC and his mother.

[Nicholas]

His mother provided a wit stat where she recounts her very limited contact with JB.  Why would she omit such an encounter?

She may have forgotten about it at the time she gave her statement - her grandchildren, their mother & her parents had been murdered - suspect that may have had some bearing on her thought processes at the time

What date was her statement taken ?

How many statements did she make ?

When did CC disclose

JB putting his hair in spikes, mimicking the twins’ photo...

was this before or after Bamber's murder trial ?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

His mother provided a wit stat where she recounts her very limited contact with JB.  Why would she omit such an encounter?

Probably due to the fact the police asked her specific questions; she was in a foggy grief-stricken haze of unreality, and it simply didn’t enter her mind.

You can’t accuse someone of lying simply because they didn’t mention it to someone else.

She must have been in utter pieces!

I don’t know, and I hope you never have had to go through tragic events — but I have — and I can tell you now that you’re incapable of even thinking straight, let alone discussing details you may have forgotten to mention.

You’re almost suggesting Colin would have not just made that up, but that he even envisaged it inside his head when he was broken to bits?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

By the time the defence expert visited the lab to examine the silencer there was no evidence of visible blood in the silencer!

That’s why they had to take it apart and examine it under microscope

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It's a pretty lame attempt at a quasi-pejorative label that probably points more to a desperate need to create a schism that doesn't exist.
Believing Bamber to be guilty isn't a 'camp', it's an absolute.

I don’t often agree with you, General, but I do in this instance

I’d also like to hear you say that when you’re sloshed....

[Aunt Agatha]

She may have forgotten about it at the time she gave her statement - her grandchildren, their mother & her parents had been murdered - suspect that may have had some bearing on her thought processes at the time

What date was her statement taken ?

How many statements did she make ?

When did CC disclose

was this before or after Bamber's murder trial ?




quote author=Nicholas link=topic=11431.msg593032#msg593032 date=1590229175]
She may have forgotten about it at the time she gave her statement - her grandchildren, their mother & her parents had been murdered - suspect that may have had some bearing on her thought processes at the time

The same could be said as to why Jeremy turned up at CM’s workplace unannounced, which was described as strange.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

There are also many inconsistencies in the wit stats of FE, CC and his mother.

Look, you’ll always find inconsistencies in everyone’s statements, or even when people relay a happening to you.

People forget some details; get times slightly wrong; exact phrases; all sorts of things...the police know that.

But when you add them all together they form a pattern which adds up.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The same could be said as to why Jeremy turned up at CM’s workplace unannounced, which was described as strange.

Perhaps Jeremy was much closer to Charles than anyone realised...

Or maybe he wanted to get out of the house to be alone. The police and family were all milling around and he may have got edgy...

[Holly Goodhead]

Look, you’ll always inconsistencies in everyone’s statements, or even when people relay a happening to you.

People forget some details; get times slightly wrong; exact phrases; all sorts of things...the police know that.

But when you add them all together they form a pattern which adds up.

I agree you will always find inconsistencies in wit accounts.  Some are easily explained others more difficult if witnesses are being truthful.

[Nicholas]

I agree you will always find inconsistencies in wit accounts.  Some are easily explained others more difficult if witnesses are being truthful.

It’s glaringly obvious Bamber wasn’t truthful in his witness statements Holly

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Fair enough, I'll use "opposer " in future.  Wasn't sure what to use, to be honest, and I'd seen "guilter" used somewhere else.

But I wouldn't want to offend anyone!

You do realise, don’t you, that you’ve just admitted exactly which side of the fence you’re on, MrsWah. Whoops!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I agree you will always find inconsistencies in wit accounts.  Some are easily explained others more difficult if witnesses are being truthful.

Well, the witness statements satisfied the prosecution and defence, Holly...including the jury and Judge...

So are you saying they all missed something Miss GoodHead has picked up on?😌

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The S*n routinely lies. Many, many lies.
The Bamber story may be true, I dunno. But many, many lies.

But it wasn’t just The Sun

ALL the national newspapers reported on the case, and they all said the same

Are you suggesting all newspaper editors are stupid?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

But why should we see CC's accounts as infallible?

Are you trying to suggest Colin lied?

He wasn’t the one charged with mass murder, Holly — the monster, Jeremy Bamber was.

Colin had no reason to lie

Jeremy Bamber did though