Author Topic: Was the twins' future up for discussion?  (Read 51833 times)

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Offline Common sense

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2020, 02:33:30 PM »

Was it established that they were recently acquired, or was the pathologist unsure?

I think Vanezis was of the opinion they were sustained in the attack but couldn't be certain they weren't older. They remain a mystery.

Offline APRIL

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #61 on: May 02, 2020, 02:47:05 PM »
I think Vanezis was of the opinion they were sustained in the attack but couldn't be certain they weren't older. They remain a mystery.


As ambiguities go, that's a bit extreme!!!

Offline The General

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2020, 04:56:05 PM »

As ambiguities go, that's a bit extreme!!!
The suppressor would probably get quite hot after 25 rounds in relatively quick succession.
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Offline Common sense

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2020, 05:25:01 PM »
The suppressor would probably get quite hot after 25 rounds in relatively quick succession.

Not nearly hot enough to cause those burns and it would take 5 minutes on the aga to reach the required heat.

More likely cigarette burns in my humble opinion but it's a mystery that will never be solved unless Bamber confesses and offers an explanation.

Offline Myster

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #64 on: May 02, 2020, 05:38:34 PM »
The suppressor would probably get quite hot after 25 rounds in relatively quick succession.
MWT and a rifle expert Philip Boyce tried that eight years ago and the barrel (with and without moderator, I think) didn't get hot enough through firing continuously to cause any burns on pigskin.  Boyce later elaborated in Bamber's submission that it might get hot enough on the hotplate of the AGA if left there long enough.  It was also discussed here a while ago, to the extent that the rifle would need to be inserted in the oven for minutes or even in the combustion chamber for a few seconds through the removable filler plug in the left-hand hotplate.

https://youtu.be/_i2CjYDJGTo?t=1139
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #65 on: May 02, 2020, 05:54:48 PM »
Not nearly hot enough to cause those burns and it would take 5 minutes on the aga to reach the required heat.

More likely cigarette burns in my humble opinion but it's a mystery that will never be solved unless Bamber confesses and offers an explanation.

Or cigar
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Offline Myster

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #66 on: May 02, 2020, 06:00:50 PM »
Or cigar
Or the missing red-hot fourth casing which might have rebounded off the kitchen wall (AGA side) and landed on Nevill's nape underneath his nightshirt.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #67 on: May 02, 2020, 06:02:21 PM »
Or the missing red-hot fourth casing which might have rebounded off the kitchen wall (AGA side) and landed on Nevill's nape underneath his nightshirt.

Trophy?
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Offline Myster

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #68 on: May 02, 2020, 06:38:32 PM »
Trophy?
To go with his infant tooth.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline The General

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #69 on: May 02, 2020, 06:58:56 PM »
MWT and a rifle expert Philip Boyce tried that eight years ago and the barrel (with and without moderator, I think) didn't get hot enough through firing continuously to cause any burns on pigskin.  Boyce later elaborated in Bamber's submission that it might get hot enough on the hotplate of the AGA if left there long enough.  It was also discussed here a while ago, to the extent that the rifle would need to be inserted in the oven for minutes or even in the combustion chamber for a few seconds through the removable filler plug in the left-hand hotplate.

https://youtu.be/_i2CjYDJGTo?t=1139
I'll take that as a 'no' then.
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Offline Myster

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2020, 07:01:23 PM »
I'll take that as a 'no' then.
Unless you've got a spare Anschutz in your armoury to prove them wrong, Herr General.
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Offline The General

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2020, 08:24:37 PM »
Unless you've got a spare Anschutz in your armoury to prove them wrong, Herr General.
Tend to require more than a shonky bunny buster.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2020, 08:56:44 PM »
Tend to require more than a shonky bunny buster.
The “bunny buster” you refer to effectively ended the lives of 5 people, remember?
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #73 on: May 04, 2020, 10:29:35 AM »
MWT and a rifle expert Philip Boyce tried that eight years ago and the barrel (with and without moderator, I think) didn't get hot enough through firing continuously to cause any burns on pigskin.  Boyce later elaborated in Bamber's submission that it might get hot enough on the hotplate of the AGA if left there long enough.  It was also discussed here a while ago, to the extent that the rifle would need to be inserted in the oven for minutes or even in the combustion chamber for a few seconds through the removable filler plug in the left-hand hotplate.

https://youtu.be/_i2CjYDJGTo?t=1139



I read somewhere that the tests carried out on the pigs skins were useless as they were already dead, so the results would show up differently.

I suspect the burns were caused after Nevill’s death as they were in too straight a line for him not to have struggled as he was being tortured.
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Offline Common sense

Re: Was the twins' future up for discussion?
« Reply #74 on: May 04, 2020, 10:56:16 AM »


I read somewhere that the tests carried out on the pigs skins were useless as they were already dead, so the results would show up differently.

I suspect the burns were caused after Nevill’s death as they were in too straight a line for him not to have struggled as he was being tortured.

You can see the pig skin tests in the "new evidence" documentary with Mark w..ble Thomas but here is a screenshot that they claim "prove" the burns were caused by the muzzle of the gun and not the silencer ( or something else ) 

The muzzle was heated with a blow lamp for the tests.

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