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Offline Daisy

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #195 on: November 10, 2020, 05:00:10 PM »
I think we've had quite enough documentaries and drama about YKW, IMO, TYVM.  Email from whom, BTW?



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Offline Myster

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Daisy

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #197 on: November 10, 2020, 05:40:10 PM »
Maybe they are in the very early stages of planning it.  I am sure I am not the only one who has been contacted.

Offline Myster

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #198 on: November 10, 2020, 05:54:51 PM »
Maybe they are in the very early stages of planning it.  I am sure I am not the only one who has been contacted.
Let them know how much money you wasted on him Daisy, only to receive a kick in the teeth.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Caroline

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #199 on: November 11, 2020, 02:15:05 AM »
Maybe they are in the very early stages of planning it.  I am sure I am not the only one who has been contacted.

I've heard about it.

Offline Myster

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #200 on: November 11, 2020, 05:39:37 AM »
I've heard about it.
Why am I always last to hear anything?!!!

It reminds me of school days when I was never picked for the basketball team because I was only 2'3'' tall.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Caroline

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #201 on: November 11, 2020, 03:36:53 PM »
Why am I always last to hear anything?!!!

It reminds me of school days when I was never picked for the basketball team because I was only 2'3'' tall.

I'm smaller than that  @)(++(*


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Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #202 on: January 30, 2021, 12:04:56 PM »
“Sky has also announced a ocumentary about the case of Jeremy Bamber and the White House Farm Murders - The Bambers: Murder at the Farm - executive produced by Louis Theroux and Aaron Fellows.

Using first-hand testimony and unseen archive footage to re-examine the shocking events of 1985, the film explores evidence that has emerged since the original trial of Bamber.

Speaking about the project, Theroux said: "It's a big responsibility taking on a subject that's touched the lives of so many people in such a tragic way. But I'm confident we can make it much more than a true crime documentary.
"This is a story not only about the criminal justice system but about family and adoption, class and religion, mental health and the undeserved stigma around it.
" (Sic)

https://www.beyondthejoke.co.uk/content/10008/greg-davies-sitcom

Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline colsville

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #203 on: January 31, 2021, 11:56:46 AM »
I'm really glad that this documentary has been made, it's well overdue that someone out there has made a documentary that actually properly analyses the evidence.

There are a few things that I would like it to do...

I hope that the documentary holds the Guardian newspaper to account for effectively running a 'free Bamber campaign' via its journalist Eric Allison.

The wet blood on the wounds of Sheila Caffells neck have been photoshopped in, probably around the time that Bamber was represented by fraudster Giovanni Di Stefano, which would have been early 2000's.  I hope that will be revealed too. Carol Ann Lee confirmed this fact in an HBO podcast in October 2020.

Peter Suthersts woefully inadequate assessment of the scratches on the mantelshelf, which, in Peter Suthersts words proves 100 percent that he is innocent.  Sutherst applied almost childlike photogrammetry techniques to assess whether the original photographs captured the scratches or not, but he isn't a photogrammetry expert (by his own admission) and his results were just gibberish. He would have been well aware of the errors in his results, and yet he determined from this gibberish that Bamber was innocent. Again, shame on the Guardian newspaper for promoting this nonsense.

The obvious stuff like the firearms log and the fake narrative that Bamber has wrapped that up in needs to be covered.   And the so-called call logs which clearly show that only one call was made to any police station that night.  Again, wrapped up in Bambers false narrative, promoted as the truth by the Guardian.

And maybe, just maybe, Sheila Caffell will be portrayed as a human being rather than just a schizophrenic and a corpse.

I've read that it will be out in the summer of this year.

It's just a shame it's on Sky.  If it was on ITV over 3 days at 9 o'clock it would have much more impact.  But it might change the attitudes of newspapers as to how this story is reported in the future.

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #204 on: January 31, 2021, 05:05:40 PM »
Will be interesting to see if they explore why Bamber really visited Charles Marsden on ‘the day following the murders’ & why Bamber wasn’t charged re the alleged drug/date rape of Sarah in 1984?

There are numerous prejudices running through Bamber’s innocence fraud narrative - not least of all misogyny which is apparent from the start
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Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #205 on: January 31, 2021, 05:19:52 PM »

I hope that the documentary holds the Guardian newspaper to account for effectively running a 'free Bamber campaign' via its journalist Eric Allison.

and Simon Hattenstone

Both of whom (Allison & Hattenstone) have also helped perpetuate wife killer Eddie Gilfoyle’s innocence fraud (As have The Times)


The Times
Daniel Finkelstein, compared the case of the Falklands veteran from Merseyside to that of Alfred Dreyfus, the Jewish artillery captain convicted of treason in 1894 in France.

Before joining the paper in 2001, he was adviser to both the prime minister John Major and the Conservative leader William Hague


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Offline Truth SKR1

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #206 on: February 01, 2021, 10:08:03 AM »
Nicholas, regarding any alleged drug/date rape. I'm afraid there's absolutely no evidence for it. Marsden's statement from what I've seen doesn't say anything about drugging or lack of consent. Only the "alleged" victim could really establish that and evidently she never came forward.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #207 on: February 01, 2021, 10:26:08 AM »
Nicholas, regarding any alleged drug/date rape. I'm afraid there's absolutely no evidence for it. Marsden's statement from what I've seen doesn't say anything about drugging or lack of consent. Only the "alleged" victim could really establish that and evidently she never came forward.

Hi Truth SKR1 - Can you post a copy of Charles Marsden’s witness statement or point to where it can be read?

The following excerpts are Carol Ann Lee’s interpretation from her meticulously researched book ‘The Murders at White House Farm’ - which indicate the girl either ‘came forward’ at some point during the police investigations into the 5 murders (In 1985 as indicated by CAL) or possibly even earlier?

According to CAL

‘In addition to the odd dalliance with Sue Ford, Jeremy was unfaithful to Julie in the first half of 1984 with two other women. The first was Liz Rimmimgton, whose relationship with Malcolm Waters had come to an end. After spending the night with Jeremy, Liz felt ‘terribly guilty’, telling Essex police in 1985 that they were never ‘romantically involved’ and Julie knew nothing about it.

Jeremy’s second liaison was with another friend of Julie’s. He and Charles Marsden had spent an evening drinking with the girl at the Chequers. Returning to Bourtree cottage after the pub closed, Charles went to bed while Jeremy and the girl stayed downstairs drinking. She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy’s bedroom with him, ‘on top of me having intercourse. Charles Marsden lay next to them; he recalled waking up to find the couple having sex but both he and the girl confirmed he had taken no part in what was going on.

The following day, the girl wondered whether she had been drugged. Feeling ‘shocked, angry and abused’ after hearing that Jeremy had told Julie about the episode, she called at the cottage while Jeremy was working. Julie recalled the girl describing a threesome and, when she confronted Jeremy, he told her that the girl was neurotic. Leaving Julie sobbing in the garden, he returned later and charged at the locked door, splintering it. Julie decided to believe him and broke off her friendship with the girl as he asked.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zV3WCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=charles+marsden+essex&source=bl&ots=jQISI3Diw_&sig=ACfU3U1i336DTUwUTlMThBe2M3Xntg_NJA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil_JK6psXpAhW-QhUIHRPOAwkQ6AEwBHoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=charles%20marsden%20essex&f=false


Carol Ann Lee writes - ‘She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy’s bedroom with him, ‘on top of me having intercourse’

The - ‘ON TOP OF ME HAVING INTERCOURSE’ - is quoted by CAL suggesting the wording has come from a statement by the girl
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Offline Truth SKR1

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #208 on: February 01, 2021, 11:01:29 AM »
Fair enough. Sounds fishy, but CAL writes suddenly and then quotes the "on top of me having intercourse". The full statement would be helpful but as it stands it doesn't stretch to an allegation of rape or drugging. I would presume the police would have been at least willing to proceed with it if she felt rape and/or drugging had occurred. Perhaps, she was fearful of taking that step, but even that is making presumptions.

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #209 on: February 01, 2021, 01:07:13 PM »
Fair enough. Sounds fishy, but CAL writes suddenly and then quotes the "on top of me having intercourse". The full statement would be helpful but as it stands it doesn't stretch to an allegation of rape or drugging. I would presume the police would have been at least willing to proceed with it if she felt rape and/or drugging had occurred. Perhaps, she was fearful of taking that step, but even that is making presumptions.

The words ‘SHOCKED, ANGRY AND ABUSED’ also appear to have been taken from Sarah’s witness statement

How do you interpret the word ‘abused’ ?

According to CAL

‘In addition to the odd dalliance with Sue Ford, Jeremy was unfaithful to Julie in the first half of 1984 with two other women. The first was Liz Rimmimgton, whose relationship with Malcolm Waters had come to an end. After spending the night with Jeremy, Liz felt ‘terribly guilty’, telling Essex police in 1985 that they were never ‘romantically involved’ and Julie knew nothing about it.

Jeremy’s second liaison was with another friend of Julie’s. He and Charles Marsden had spent an evening drinking with the girl at the Chequers. Returning to Bourtree cottage after the pub closed, Charles went to bed while Jeremy and the girl stayed downstairs drinking. She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy’s bedroom with him, ‘on top of me having intercourse’. Charles Marsden lay next to them; he recalled waking up to find the couple having sex but both he and the girl confirmed he had taken no part in what was going on.

The following day, the girl wondered whether she had been drugged. Feeling ‘shocked, angry and abused after hearing that Jeremy had told Julie about the episode, she called at the cottage while Jeremy was working. Julie recalled the girl describing a threesome and, when she confronted Jeremy, he told her that the girl was neurotic. Leaving Julie sobbing in the garden, he returned later and charged at the locked door, splintering it. Julie decided to believe him and broke off her friendship with the girl as he asked.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zV3WCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=charles+marsden+essex&source=bl&ots=jQISI3Diw_&sig=ACfU3U1i336DTUwUTlMThBe2M3Xntg_NJA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil_JK6psXpAhW-QhUIHRPOAwkQ6AEwBHoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=charles%20marsden%20essex&f=false

‘The following day, the girl wondered whether she had been drugged’

What do you make of the above statement Truth SKR1 ?
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