Why Would Sheila Have Used a Gun When She Didn’t Know How to Work One?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Did the pathologist say the brain was exposed?

I thought you knew EVERYTHING, Gunit.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Please refrain from levelling personal comments at fellow posters. 

I do not denigrate SC at all.  Why would I denigrate a woman diagnosed with a serious mental illness? In fact I have defended SC when others have labelled her promiscuous and it wasn't just the 'Jeremy supporters' either!  I defended her because there isn't a scrap of evidence she was promiscuous.

I am well within my rights, both in terms of the forum rules and legally, to voice my opinion that JB did not commit the murders and that SC was responsible.

Oh, what a hypocrite you are, Holly!

It was YOU who made up that LIE pretending Sheila massaged “older men”! You inferred she was a prostitute! And nw you’re saying you defended her when others said she was promiscuous?! The HYPOCRISY of you!

And don’t give me that syrupy sly backpedaling you do....

It isn’t just me who can see what you do, either!

Sheila was actually very CHOOSY, all the men fell at her feet.

[Nicholas]

You also have to wait until you’re 17 before getting a provisional driver’s licence...yours came through quickly if you had your first lesson on your 17th birthday !😌


Tad suspicious...

Mmm 

[Nicholas]

Oh, what a hypocrite you are, Holly!

It was YOU who made up that LIE pretending Sheila massaged “older men”! You inferred she was a prostitute! And nw you’re saying you defended her when others said she was promiscuous?! The HYPOCRISY of you!

And don’t give me that syrupy sly backpedaling you do....

It isn’t just me who can see what you do, either!

Sheila was actually very CHOOSY, all the men fell at her feet.

 

No it isn’t

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You don't say 

The point being a father was showing his 5 yoa daughter the basics of how firearms work.  Do you honestly think NB didn't do similar with SC and JB?

Do you honestly think SC growing up on a farm surrounded by firearms and those who use them didn't know one end of the barrel from the other? 

She went on shoots as a beater.

She wasn't daft.  Most studies show a strong correlation between intelligence and genetics.  SC's birth family included an Oxford educated poet and a University lecturer.  Her half siblings include a major in the Canadian army and a graphic designer.

Comparing a toy gun to a professional rifle is pathetic.

Truly pathetic.

[APRIL]

You also have to wait until you’re 17 before getting a provisional driver’s licence...yours came through quickly if you had your first lesson on your 17th birthday !😌


Tad suspicious...

My ex husband, at 16, bought himself a van, taught himself to drive, applied for his test which he took on his 17th birthday, passed!!, went back to school proudly waving his pink slip, only to find they been allowed home early because it was Whitsun.

[Common sense]

I agree with Holly on this thread up to a point.

It's not impossible for Sheila to have the know how to have loaded the gun, after all, Jeremy gave her a conveniently recent demonstration while she was at the kitchen table and growing up on the farm it would seem likely she had at least a passing familiarity with guns, even if there is no evidence of her having any recent experience or interest. 

However, until the magic scientists can prove otherwise, the silencer is still a part of this case and Sheila must have gone looking for it in order to attach it. She didn't just pick up the gun and put the cartridge in and go crazy - there was another step.

Sheila must have also had the focus to travel up and downstairs to reload to fire so many shots during a sustained period of delusional violence which she was not only medicated for but such a period is completely at odds with Freddies descriptions of her having a breakdown and her psychiatrists assessment.

She must have had the presence of mind to want to make sure they were dead by reloading so many times but didn't have the presence of mind and knowledge of guns to go and fetch a shotgun to get the job done once she realised the 2.2 was not working.  Odd too that she decided to try and take her own life with the 2.2 despite having just proved to herself it was ineffective at killing people with one shot.

Likewise, the injuries to Nevill do not prove on their own that only Bamber could have inflicted them but it's reasonable to concede that a 6" man would be better suited to the task. The fact is that there is not a speck of evidence that Sheila was ever in the kitchen or loading and firing the gun. There were no abrasions or bruises on her hands from wielding the gun like a club as she must have done to cause those injuries, no shards of glass in her hair from the lampshade, sugar or cuts on her feet, no broken nails,nothing.

It would be more of a puzzler if her brother hadn't confessed to his girlfriend and made up a ludicrous story about his father phoning him though.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

My ex husband, at 16, bought himself a van, taught himself to drive, applied for his test which he took on his 17th birthday, passed!!, went back to school proudly waving his pink slip, only to find they been allowed home early because it was Whitsun.

April, what year was that?

It’s just that I do know you can’t get a provisional licence until you’re 17; maybe it was different back then?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I agree with Holly on this thread up to a point.

It's not impossible for Sheila to have the know how to have loaded the gun, after all, Jeremy gave her a conveniently recent demonstration while she was at the kitchen table and growing up on the farm it would seem likely she had at least a passing familiarity with guns, even if there is no evidence of her having any recent experience or interest. 

However, until the magic scientists can prove otherwise, the silencer is still a part of this case and Sheila must have gone looking for it in order to attach it. She didn't just pick up the gun and put the cartridge in and go crazy - there was another step.

Sheila must have also had the focus to travel up and downstairs to reload to fire so many shots during a sustained period of delusional violence which she was not only medicated for but such a period is completely at odds with Freddies descriptions of her having a breakdown and her psychiatrists assessment.

She must have had the presence of mind to want to make sure they were dead by reloading so many times but didn't have the presence of mind and knowledge of guns to go and fetch a shotgun to get the job done once she realised the 2.2 was not working.  Odd too that she decided to try and take her own life with the 2.2 despite having just proved to herself it was ineffective at killing people with one shot.

Likewise, the injuries to Nevill do not prove on their own that only Bamber could have inflicted them but it's reasonable to concede that a 6" man would be better suited to the task. The fact is that there is not a speck of evidence that Sheila was ever in the kitchen or loading and firing the gun. There were no abrasions or bruises on her hands from wielding the gun like a club as she must have done to cause those injuries, no shards of glass in her hair from the lampshade, sugar or cuts on her feet, no broken nails,nothing.

It would be more of a puzzler if her brother hadn't confessed to his girlfriend and made up a ludicrous story about his father phoning him though.

I agree with most of what you say, CS, but we only have Jeremy Bamber’s word that he showed Sheila how to load that gun — and he’s a proven pathological liar.

Why would he have?

Sheila didn’t have any interest in guns, and she hardly went to WHF after Nevill bought it just six months previously. For what reason would JB had shown Sheila how to load it? It doesn’t add up.

Besides, it wasn’t his gun — it was Nevill’s. Was Jeremy allowed to just take one of Nevill’s guns from his cabinet and go shooting when he didn’t even have a licence? I can’t see that myself.

As for the savage brutal beating Nevill sustained, I don’t believe any woman, unless she was built like Fatima Whitbread high on steroids and fierce rage could have beaten Nevill so viciously. It’s physically impossible.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No need for some silly semantic quibble when the pathologist who carried out the 5 pm's has stated in plain English re the non-gunshot wpunds:

I did not find it surprising that a woman of that build in possession of a weapon possibly in a deranged state could cause the injuries present.

How does that contradict what I wrote earlier? 

[mrswah]

Mmm 

Actually, I have heard of several people starting driving lessons on their 17th birthday.

[Common sense]

I agree with most of what you say, CS, but we only have Jeremy Bamber’s word that he showed Sheila how to load that gun — and he’s a proven pathological liar.

Why would he have?

Sheila didn’t have any interest in guns, and she hardly went to WHF after Nevill bought it just six months previously. For what reason would JB had shown Sheila how to load it? It doesn’t add up.

Besides, it wasn’t his gun — it was Nevill’s. Was Jeremy allowed to just take one of Nevill’s guns from his cabinet and go shooting when he didn’t even have a licence? I can’t see that myself.

As for the savage brutal beating Nevill sustained, I don’t believe any woman, unless she was built like Fatima Whitbread high on steroids and fierce rage could have beaten Nevill so viciously. It’s physically impossible.

I think it is much more likely that Bamber invented loading the gun in front of Sheila to preempt the question of how she might know how to load and operate the newest and most complicated gun in the house.

Otherwise, I stand by my previous post, the point of which is that the totality of evidence points to Bamber and in a straight line. Aspects of the case can be taken in isolation to support the theory that Sheila could have been responsible but they never join up with the other evidence (or lack of it) and the most unlikely explanation and scenario has to be chosen at every turn.

Your original post in this thread posits the question of why isn't it more likely she picked up a knife than the gun and I would say that's 50-50 on the arguments here, but add in the fact that the silencer had to be searched for and attached and the odds of Sheila picking up the gun at all fall considerably. Add the lack of evidence for Sheila being anywhere but upstairs and the brutality of the attack on NB which suggests a 6' man and the odds of Sheila being responsible become almost zero. Add the blood in the silencer and JMs evidence and it's case closed as far as I'm concerned.

[APRIL]

April, what year was that?

It’s just that I do know you can’t get a provisional licence until you’re 17; maybe it was different back then?

I suspect it was around 1968. His mother went to the post office and got his provisional on the morning of his birthday. He didn't need one in the beginning. They had a private road and it allowed for all manoeuvres, including hill starts.

[G-Unit]

I suspect it was around 1968. His mother went to the post office and got his provisional on the morning of his birthday. He didn't need one in the beginning. They had a private road and it allowed for all manoeuvres, including hill starts.

My son began driving at 12 years of age on private land.

[Caroline]

You don't say 

The point being a father was showing his 5 yoa daughter the basics of how firearms work.  Do you honestly think NB didn't do similar with SC and JB?

Do you honestly think SC growing up on a farm surrounded by firearms and those who use them didn't know one end of the barrel from the other? 

She went on shoots as a beater.

She wasn't daft.  Most studies show a strong correlation between intelligence and genetics.  SC's birth family included an Oxford educated poet and a University lecturer.  Her half siblings include a major in the Canadian army and a graphic designer.

The point being, it's America!

I honestly think that NB didn't show Sheila how to shoot and she had NOT used the rifle.

We live in the countryside next to one of the biggest shooting land in the country - my partner was a beater but was never a shooter!

It's not a case of intelligence, it's a case of what can be achieved during a psychotic episode and leaning a novel task isn't something achievable.