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Offline Caroline

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #435 on: May 24, 2020, 01:29:51 PM »



Well, If I’d received such a phone call in the middle of the night, having already supposedly heard him discuss the planning of his family’s deaths, then I would certainly phone the police straight away.

Wouldn’t you?

Unless of course it never happened.

Knowing how you regard him, would you really call the police or would you wait to talk to him? Julie knew very little at that point and must have been confused and in a state of shock - mind all over the place.

Offline APRIL

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #436 on: May 24, 2020, 01:41:22 PM »



Well, If I’d received such a phone call in the middle of the night, having already supposedly heard him discuss the planning of his family’s deaths, then I would certainly phone the police straight away.

Wouldn’t you?

Unless of course it never happened.


I don't think I would.

 I'd find it hard to believe that my judgement was so poor that I'd be with someone capable of doing such a dreadful thing.

I'd lay there, unable to sleep, turning the whole thing over in my mind, trying to believe it wasn't what I was starting to think.

I'd wake up, hoping it had been a nightmare.

I'd probably have thrown up en route from Lewisham to Essex.

I'd have worked myself up to the point of breakdown between trying to act 'normally' and feeling guilty because I hadn't said anything.

I'd have felt the weight of the world lifted from my shoulders when I eventually told what I knew.

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #437 on: May 24, 2020, 01:54:46 PM »

I don't think I would.

 I'd find it hard to believe that my judgement was so poor that I'd be with someone capable of doing such a dreadful thing.

I'd lay there, unable to sleep, turning the whole thing over in my mind, trying to believe it wasn't what I was starting to think.

I'd wake up, hoping it had been a nightmare.

I'd probably have thrown up en route from Lewisham to Essex.

I'd have worked myself up to the point of breakdown between trying to act 'normally' and feeling guilty because I hadn't said anything.

I'd have felt the weight of the world lifted from my shoulders when I eventually told what I knew.





I concur!

Offline Nicholas

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #438 on: May 24, 2020, 01:58:25 PM »
Knowing how you regard him, would you really call the police or would you wait to talk to him? Julie knew very little at that point and must have been confused and in a state of shock - mind all over the place.

Does Julie mention in her witness statements what he said to her when he phoned her from the pay phone at 5.30am

Wonder if it was normal for him to phone her so much through the night and wake her up so many times ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #439 on: May 24, 2020, 02:02:07 PM »
When the police arrived to collect her that morning was it one of them who told her the family had been murdered?

And did she pack an overnight bag to take with her or did she usually keep spare clothes and toiletries etc at Bamber’s cottage?

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Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #440 on: May 24, 2020, 04:15:06 PM »
Knowing how you regard him, would you really call the police or would you wait to talk to him? Julie knew very little at that point and must have been confused and in a state of shock - mind all over the place.



It doesn't matter.  If a partner/friend has shown dislike towards his family and  has stated on previous occasions that he had wanted to kill, or was going to kill his family, then I certainly would have shared that with my friends

By the time the 'tonight's the nught' call cones through I'd be on the phone, then calling my friends, no matter what the time.

Unless of course, it never happened!

Offline Caroline

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #441 on: May 24, 2020, 04:21:38 PM »


It doesn't matter.  If a partner/friend has shown dislike towards his family and  has stated on previous occasions that he had wanted to kill, or was going to kill his family, then I certainly would have shared that with my friends

By the time the 'tonight's the nught' call cones through I'd be on the phone, then calling my friends, no matter what the time.

Unless of course, it never happened!

Personally, for me, he'd be history after the first time he mentioned it and if his family ended up dead, I'd be on the phone the same day. BUT there will be others who would have acted like Julie, not because they are evil or bad, just a bit pathetic when it comes to men. Most would come good in the end though - just as Julie did.

Offline APRIL

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #442 on: May 24, 2020, 04:37:36 PM »


It doesn't matter.  If a partner/friend has shown dislike towards his family and  has stated on previous occasions that he had wanted to kill, or was going to kill his family, then I certainly would have shared that with my friends

By the time the 'tonight's the nught' call cones through I'd be on the phone, then calling my friends, no matter what the time.

Unless of course, it never happened!


There's NO way I'd tolerate anything 'iffy' about someone, now, but such may come with age and greater confidence. The difference between how I'd have been at Julie's age, is that I shared most boyfriend 'stuff' with my friends.............unless there was something I didn't feel able to reveal. I suspect what Jeremy was sharing with her, came under that heading. I feel that by the time of the "tonight's the night" call, it was too late, anyway, for girly conversations.

Offline adam

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #443 on: May 24, 2020, 05:49:43 PM »
Does Julie mention in her witness statements what he said to her when he phoned her from the pay phone at 5.30am

Wonder if it was normal for him to phone her so much through the night and wake her up so many times ?

Believe she said Bamber told her not to go to work, he only had one 10p & a police car was coming to pick her up.

What is a surprise is Bamber refuses to discuss what was said in the 10pm call to Julie. Although he phoned her for the first time in 3 days & the call lasted 20 minutes!

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #444 on: May 25, 2020, 01:40:19 AM »
I think you should look at those who accept everything that's said by anyone so long as their name isn't Jeremy Bamber. Assuming that he's the only person who told lies is naive.

Oh, I haven’t seen many people on here naive enough to think only Jeremy Bamber is a liar and deceitful



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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #445 on: May 25, 2020, 01:45:25 AM »
The docs are official court transcripts.

Yes, and his statements in those official documents are lies

He lied under oath too

Anyway, according to you one shouldn’t believe anything, official or otherwise

Does swearing something under oath mean they’re not lying, then?
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #446 on: May 25, 2020, 01:53:33 AM »
I don't understand the connection you're making. Obviously murdering involves lying, but lying about everything?


Fair point, Gunit

Jeremy Bamber told Julie to stick to “the truth” as close as possible

Being an experienced liar he knows it’s best to keep as close to the truth as possible, but he’s proof that experience doesn’t necessarily make one a proficient liar, hence how he got tripped up over, and over, and over again...
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #447 on: May 25, 2020, 02:12:16 AM »


It doesn't matter.  If a partner/friend has shown dislike towards his family and  has stated on previous occasions that he had wanted to kill, or was going to kill his family, then I certainly would have shared that with my friends

By the time the 'tonight's the nught' call cones through I'd be on the phone, then calling my friends, no matter what the time.

Unless of course, it never happened!



I don’t think Julie took much notice at the time when he said “tonight’s the night”. She probably thought he was talking rubbish and acting a goat. We don’t know what other similar things he spouted when he mouthed off about his family to her — which he frequent did. She probably just thought he was having another outburst.

Then when he rang at approximately 3am/3:15 and said “something’s wrong at the farm” sounding CONCERNED, but not saying what it was, she may have thought it was something minor. Especially as he said “Night honey, I love you”. You’d hardly say that if you thought your sister was about to shoot everyone.

She probably thought he was stoned out his head — he’d said he hadn’t slept all night — so probably thought he’d been smoking weed for hours and was talking crap.

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #448 on: May 25, 2020, 02:13:03 AM »
When the police arrived to collect her that morning was it one of them who told her the family had been murdered?

And did she pack an overnight bag to take with her or did she usually keep spare clothes and toiletries etc at Bamber’s cottage?

Good point, Nicholas
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Brancher

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Re: Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #449 on: May 25, 2020, 01:10:54 PM »

The forensic scientists actually did very well by establishing the blood groups inside the silencer given that they had relatively little to analyse. They found 13 out of a possible 20 of Sheila’s bands/markers in the flake of blood — and in 2002 after advances in analysis had improved, they found SEVENTEEN of Sheila’s markers in the same sample — making it a trillion to one that blood could belong to anyone else. How can you possibly say THAT evidence can’t be relied upon? It convinced the court, jury and high court judges — and they have far better knowledge than you do, or anyone else, including me. 

Having now refreshed my memory, I've just been posting about this on the other thread about the silencer.

You are misrepresenting the evidence.  I sensed that you were, because I have in the past read in some depth on the case, but I needed to go back and check the details.

First, the blood group finding does not prove that it was Sheila's blood.  That's simple enough.

Second, the DNA finding was rejected by the 2002 appellate judges.  It is based on LCN testing, which cannot establish a source for the DNA trace, and it is also the case that findings are unreliable due to the acknowledged probability of contamination.

Ironically, you ask [to paraphrase]: "How can THAT evidence not be relied on?"  Well, I suggest you re-direct your question to the English Court of Appeal, because they decided it could not be relied on.  Come back to us when you have an answer.

The current position is this - there is no conclusive evidence that the moderator has Sheila's blood.  Nor is there any evidence that the moderator was used in the killings, or even that any silencer/moderator was used at all.

In my view, the moderator is a dead duck.  If we were to re-try this case, the moderator would be disregarded by a jury, or a judge would just throw it out altogether.

My view is that the killer, probably Jeremy, did not use a moderator anyway, and I think the relatives and police brought the moderator into evidence innocently, due to their (probably correct) suspicions about Jeremy and their desperation.

I remain of the view that Jeremy probably did this, but I think the convictions are unsafe.  So far, nobody has convinced me otherwise.  Insulting me and goading me definitely won't convince me and does nothing for your case.  Telling me that Jeremy had a hearty breakfast with extra bacon and grinned to somebody at the funeral won't convince me either. 

If you can be polite and respectful of other posters and if you can come up with something that convinces me, then I'll be delighted to acknowledge it and I will thank you for it.
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