What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Mr Pike said the phone in the kitchen on 5th was a GPO phone. The Statesman was a BT phone.

You’re wrong

The Statesman was a GPO phone — it’s there in BLACK & WHITE on the Internet.

It SAYS it’s a GPO phone

Why can’t you understand that?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I don't think the kitchen socket was compatible with the cordless phone hence the 2 way adapter.

You think wrong

They had a double adapter to accommodate the cream GPO Statesman phone and the walkabout

June couldn’t get on with the walkabout, and Nevill needed it, anyway, to take out on the farm with him — which is why they had TWO phones connected to the cable

Incidentally, all double telephone cables have the identical fittings: you can’t plug different type plug ends into them.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I doubt the BT Statesman (connector) was compatible with the GPO socket in the kitchen hence the 2 way adapter which was taken away by Mr Pike with the cordless phone.  Hence the GPO issued cream rotary dial phone was brought down from the bedroom. 

Maybe June asked NB to put it back when they went to bed and it was overlooked?  Why did June walk around the bed and back again if not an attempt to access the phone?  June's mother was elderly and bedridden so she would probably want to be near a phone during the night.

Of course the GPO Statesman was compatible with the socket in the kitchen!

The reason Mr Pike took the socket with him was to test it in his workshop — are you suggesting he didn’t have any in his store where he repaired and sold telephones and equipment?

Yes, I’m sure June wanted to be near a phone in case her elderly mother needed her, and as June spent most time downstairs she’d have a phone down there, wouldn’t she? Which begs the question: why was the GPO Statesman phone hidden amongst a pile of magazines when it was in perfect working order and was the kitchen phone?

I agree both June and Nevill would want a bedside phone for emergencies, which is why Jeremy didn’t remove it prior to murdering his family. He had no need to — he simply disabled the phone line by removing the cradle off the cream Statesman phone in the kitchen.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

According to the cleaner the phone was on the left side of the bed, which was where June slept.

The cleaner was referring to the left hand side when looking at the bed from the bottom. That’s pretty obvious...

Besides, the telephone left a mark on the cabinet on Nevill’s side.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The Statesman was a BT (British Telecom) phone.  Look at the embossed logo...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BT-British-Telecom-Vintage-Retro-Push-Button-Telephone-Statesman-9005R-c-1980s-/303530781995?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

If you look on wiki you’ll see there was more than one Statesman model

It was first brought out by the GPO

[G-Unit]

The cleaner was referring to the left hand side when looking at the bed from the bottom. That’s pretty obvious...

Besides, the telephone left a mark on the cabinet on Nevill’s side.

It's not obvious at all. Wasn't the mark on the cabinet an invention of the TV series? There was no space for a phone in the crime scene photos.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I don't simply because the rotary dialled cream phone was first launced in 1959 and was synonomous with the GPO.  It could be found in every home up and down the land because it was pretty much the only model available.

GPO was split in 1980 with the telecoms side becoming BT in 1981.  The Statesman was first launched in 1984.

The phones were moved around as a result of Mr Pike taking away the two way adapter with the cordless phone.  Why have a two way adapter if it was only for the cordless phone?

The fawn coloured Statesman with push buttons would not have been compatible with the old GPO wiring/socket hence it was usually plugged into the adapter.

You still don’t get it, do you?

A double adaptor only accommodates IDENTICAL plugs

Furthermore, they didn’t do FAWN Statesman phones; they did cream ones, which Mr Pike referred to.

[Myster]

If you look on wiki you’ll see there was more than one Statesman model

It was first brought out by the GPO

In other words the Statesman is both a GPO and a BT phone, so both are right.  Pike referred to it as a GPO phone to distinguish it from the damaged cordless one he was taking away, which if I remember wasn't one manufactured under the GPO or BT name.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Also Mr Pike states that the cream coloured GPO issued phone was retained by NB as June didn't get on with the cordless ones. 

GPO issued phones were subject to rental payments and effectively the property of GPO.  Usually when customers were in a position to purchase phones approved for use with the network they would return any rented phones.

If Mr Pike was referring to the Statesman why would he comment about the Bamber's retaining the phone? 

Does anyone know the model number of the Statesman?

If the phone had of been the rotary one, what was it doing in the kitchen when it was the bedroom phone and the Statesman phone they always used in the kitchen was working?

Had the rotary bedroom phone been in the kitchen WITH the Statesman, why would that be?

And why would Mr Pike say that NB told him he’d retain the “rotary phone” which you’re trying to suggest it was, when Nevill would have said the rotary phone was working and was the bedroom phone?

You’re trying to distort it.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

On Wiki, both Statesman and Type 746 are referred to as GPO phones, because that was the generic name they were called in the 1980s, I suppose.  But I think that Pike was referring to the Statesman rather than the type 746, because it was the usual kitchen phone in position on the worktop when he visited the farm on the 5th, before it later disappeared under a pile of magazines/newspapers on the 7th.

Absolutely, Myster

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I don't simply because the rotary dialled cream phone was first launced in 1959 and was synonomous with the GPO.  It could be found in every home up and down the land because it was pretty much the only model available.

GPO was split in 1980 with the telecoms side becoming BT in 1981.  The Statesman was first launched in 1984.

The phones were moved around as a result of Mr Pike taking away the two way adapter with the cordless phone.  Why have a two way adapter if it was only for the cordless phone?

The fawn coloured Statesman with push buttons would not have been compatible with the old GPO wiring/socket hence it was usually plugged into the adapter.

So you’re saying the GPO and BT are writing lies?

About time you took those blinkers off

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It's not obvious at all. Wasn't the mark on the cabinet an invention of the TV series? There was no space for a phone in the crime scene photos.

It’s in the official exhibits

[Myster]

You still don’t get it, do you?

A double adaptor only accommodates IDENTICAL plugs

Furthermore, they didn’t do FAWN Statesman phones; they did cream ones, which Mr Pike referred to.

Agree on that, because the double adapter or doubler as it was later to be called was manufactured from 1981 to enable the consumer to plug in an extra phone or an extension cord without having to call out an engineer to hardwire one in, as was previously the case. So the push-button Statesman, the rotary-dial type 746, and the broken cordless phone which Pike removed would all plug into a doubler like this one...

[The General]

Agree on that, because the double adapter or doubler as it was later to be called was manufactured from 1981 to enable the consumer to plug in an extra phone or an extension cord without having to call out an engineer to hardwire one in, as was previously the case. So the push-button Statesman, the rotary-dial type 746, and the broken cordless phone which Pike removed would all plug into a doubler like this one...

Again, this is a bit before my time, so could all 3 phones be plugged in and working off one line? So a doubler, then another doubler further down the line?

[Myster]

It's not obvious at all. Wasn't the mark on the cabinet an invention of the TV series? There was no space for a phone in the crime scene photos.

Of course there was room, on the shelf below the top one!  That type 746 was referred to in witness statements as being the one normally kept upstairs in the master bedroom, so even if not on the bedside cabinet it was somewhere in that room.